Finished *IS* better than perfect. In that "hypothetically perfect but not finished" is worth more or less nothing. Also, I'm not sure why anyone is obligated to participate in the Songs forum. I don't particularly myself.

Got to be honest Philip, this all reads like some personal beef you've got. All the way through that thread he says over and over "If you think this is bad advice, or it doesn't apply to you, please ignore it". He also states very clearly that he's not worked on anything particularly massive or earth shattering. The guy's just an ex-jobbing engineer. The very *last* thing he does is invite people to worship him as some kind of guru.

And what does this mean? "Yep loved Motown (when I cornered him to state his favs). Hahahahaha!" Are you seriously saying that rating Motown is somehow credibility damaging?

IIRC Sonar is THE Motown DAW.

I don't know. Yep might have been anyone actually, so what? The point is/was that he had some very good ideas/points as well. 

I do not believe that he was all bad, just as he may not have been all good either. People are a little more than just one side or the other...

trimph1


I don't know. Yep might have been anyone actually, so what? The point is/was that he had some very good ideas/points as well. 

I do not believe that he was all bad, just as he may not have been all good either. People are a little more than just one side or the other...

+1 Triumph, John, FastBikerBoy, Jim,
 
Interestingly, I love Motown an aweful lot!  Who doesn't?
 
Unfortunately, I suffer like the Op.  Ironically, the Op has helped me mix much better than Yep!  Of the 30-40 songs I've posted, the Op has critiqued every one of them and encouraged me to excel.
 
You guys that never critique me nor post songs ... I have little love and respect for, just like Yep.  To each his own I guess.
 
OTOH, I do hear the little Yep's voice in my consciousness every time I mix. :)  fwiw.

Feel free to arbitrarily have "little respect or love for" people for flimsy reasons. I imagine you'll reap what you sow. incidentally, I have no view on the qualities of your music, but your song explicitly equating atheists with chIld molestors is not winning me over, conceptually. 

Ah sorry, it's not atheists, it's anyone who thinks evolution is real. Forgive me. 

John T


Ah sorry, it's not atheists, it's anyone who thinks evolution is real. Forgive me. 

Well, I believe in evolution and yet I don't have the urge to molest children. Maybe I'm unique? I do, however, have a renewed understanding of why I quit going to church.

Enough!! JT, you have hit a new low, NO RELIGION!!! Even I don't touch this subject!!!

I don't listen to Philips songs and hear what you are hearing, I hear some really cool production, I know there is some quasi religious message undeneath the layers but the thing is the wondeful layers.

You can inhabit these boards and no one can stop you except The Cake but your treading on thin ice, this thread has gone way off topic, even though funnily enough what Philip has written is on-topic, in that those of who do post in the song forum are trying to help each other, become better engineers, producers, songwriters and musos. And that is what BOTR original post was about.

It's time to move on and put away our schoolyard slings and arrows away and this includes me, everybody brings something to the table/forum.

Peace Ben