Bristol_Jonesey


Got any figure of 8 mics? you could always use them for OH, pointing the nulls towards the ceiling

Great idea,  Thanks.
 
 
 
 
 
No,  I don't have any. 

Tell them you are going for the led zep drum sound.  ;-)

Tell the band to move all their furniture in there :)


But at least a few "sort of blankets" that are normally under a matras. Put the drumkit on it, somewhere in the middle of the room, works great.
Get the OH's as close to the kit as possible, use four of them if nessecary.


Hope for the best

batsbrew


drum replacement software for all the drums.

If you don't have it, I have drumagog and I can help you (I'll sign an NDA if you wish).

bapu

batsbrew


drum replacement software for all the drums.

If you don't have it, I have drumagog and I can help you (I'll sign an NDA if you wish).

pfft.  bapu saying he can help you.  that's almost as good as saying he's from the government and he's here to help...

i'd love to hear a 'real world' example of drumagog in play...
this would be a perfect situation to use it on.


but what's the point of recording in a warehouse, if you're not going for the warehouse sound?

what would be cool, would be to record the drums in isolation (get everyone else to play direct somehow, headphone amps, headphones, play along with the drummer but only record the drums)

then, go back and overdub the individual parts.
this way, you could get some real separation, especially if you record the other parts direct, or at least with some sound treatment.......

the drums would sound huge (if not washed out) and the music could be bone dry.

that's what i would do.

batsbrew


i'd love to hear a 'real world' example of drumagog in play... 

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2519759



There you go. Dave's Kick and Snare were replaced/augmented* with drumagog directly on the tracks. 


*IIRC I bled about 10% of Dave's original sound in so that the OH did not sound out of place. Drumagog allows you to blend the source track for 0-100%.

that sounds pretty good, 
but for a very basic straight time rock groove- how well would it work for a more finessed drum part?
jazz, or worldbeat? does it work as well for that?
i suppose blending is the best of both worlds, in this case, the 'warehouse' sound would be basically like putting a large hall reverb on a dry drum track, blended with the drumagog, eh?

batsbrew


that sounds pretty good, 
but for a very basic straight time rock groove- how well would it work for a more finessed drum part?
jazz, or worldbeat? does it work as well for that?
i suppose blending is the best of both worlds, in this case, the 'warehouse' sound would be basically like putting a large hall reverb on a dry drum track, blended with the drumagog, eh?

Since I have no real Jazz or World beat raw tracks to use (guess I could go find some, eh?) it's hard to say, but it seems to at least react to velocity (i.e. what I see before any FX) when the sample set allows for it. IOW, some sample sets may only have 10 velocity samples and some have 20 or more. But from what I can see it's reaction time and levels are pretty good (again depending on the sample sets). Drumagog Pro comes with some hefty samples but for The CHB I use one of five libraries designed for metal (of course).


Also, Drumagog comes with the ability to replace hi-hats. It has the ability to distinguish open/half-open vs. closed. Of course you need a pretty clean hats track for that but I have to say it's impressive.


Lastly it has the ability to detect bleed by assigning a "source" track to the track containing bleed and recognizing to to give false hits based on bleed (of course you can always EQ/Gate the bleed to some degree almost as good, or at least I have).


Of course, YMMV.






PS I also have Slate's Trigger but have not had time to dive into it yet as Drumagog worked pretty good so far on the few songs I needed it on.

Hi Karyn.

Well I've been in this situation more times than I want to admit to. LOL! Granted, allowing the room to breathe with the drums can be a good thing...but it can also be a bad thing if you're stuck with the print and it's over-bearing. In today's times we rarely hear a drum kit with the room ambience of a warehouse, so I'd definitely control the room.

For what it's worth, here's what I do in this situation. The first thing I do is lay some carpet down where the drum kit will be set up. I then tack or tape the wall behind the drum kit IF possible. I know, you may not have any walls depending on the warehouse and how it's structured. From there I build an isolation booth around the kit using quilt racks/blanket racks like what you see below.

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Being in business over the years has its perks..lol...blanket racks, quilts, anything else you can think of, I got it left over. LOL! But anyway, this little virtual booth of blankets or carpeting can really make a world of difference in controlling the room. Anything that you can put around the drum kit to stop the huge room artifacts will help especially since you are close mic'ing.

The good thing is, Ed has volunteered a great service and that is, Drumagog...which is spectacular and should be in every engineers tool box by default. Yeah Ed, it will work on jazz, World beat and even works live in real time. I actually did a demonstration with it for a client one time creating an entire drum sound using my mouth beat box'ing into a mic and then adding drum samples to what I mouthed. The end result was an absolutely perfect drum kit.

So this is a really great alternative too Karyn in the event you just want a bit more reinforcement or you have some problem areas. If you have problem areas, all you'll need to do is cut the problem clips up tight so that all that is heard are the hits that you would want replaced. If you have a problem with hats Ed, due to how expressive they can be, you can always cut the track up and put the open hats on their own track and just use Drumagog open hat samples there.

But seriously Karyn, keep Drumagog in your thoughts. Just about every studio known to man is using something like it or running midi triggers (D-Drum) on their kits as a safety net. Drumagog will work with midi stuff too although they have always had a problem with it in Sonar only. There are work-arounds for this though. But since you won't be running midi, you won't have a need for that feature. Another form of correction if need be is to use Audio Snap to turn drum beats into midi so that you can use SD3, BFD, Superior, Steven Slate etc....so you have a load of options at your disposal.

I recently did some work for guitar virtuoso Greg Howe to where we used Drumagog all over the album he produced. Anyone knowing of Greg's work knows he always has a fierce drummer on board. It worked like a charm with my own custom samples as well as the samples you can buy for it. If you have lots of bleed, eq the sound to remove as much of the bleed as possible and then gate it. Then run Drumagog on the track and it will only trigger the hits. It's truly an amazing piece of kit. :) I hope this helps...best of luck Karyn. :)

-Danny