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2012/07/04 17:11:54
Rus W
@ Phillip:

 I don't know if you can because it's inevitable that you'll be stereotypical somewhere to somebody.

Didn't Cher "invent" AT? Then Madonna used it -- now everybody is using it. See the problem?

Everybody doesn't want to be the same; yet, try to hard to be different to where actually doing so is impossible.

Everyone wants individuality, yet don't wanna look for it -- let alone appreciate, when it does exists.

It's like the kid who sits by him/herself at lunch where the standing out is obvious; however, on-lookers can't or won't try to spot that same person in a crowd because you have to look for what is not obvious.

Standing out and sticking out like a sore thumb or two different things and from a production standpoint, you don't want to fall into the latter category. I'm gonna use Lady Gaga again, but she (to me) stands out. Not many thought she could sing until she did away with the enhancements, but my goodness and the production behind the compositions (whether you like them or not) Of course, there's her image and it's a shame that overshadows things, but she's a unique individual regardless.

Of course, there are other artists who don't want all of that, but such makes them standout, too The number of pianists (formally trained or not) is astounding, but each is unique is his/her own way though all play the same instrument.

I'm not saying this as a bad thing, but trying so hard to "break the mold ..." Just imagine if everybody who invented things said this: "I blazed a trail. Now, my trail's up in a-blaze." 

That's how trends work. Remember the "Rihanna Bob"? Obviously, she didn't start the bob trend nor was ever the first in or outside the industry to wear one, but everybody put her name on it!

If you happen to traverse territory that hasn't been, great; however, forcing it isn't the right away to go about it.

I'm not the first who took a "bright" song and darkened it nor will I be the last; yet, if this idea gets taken to heart by others how ever they go about doing so - more power to them.

2012/07/04 18:34:27
ohgrant
Philip


(@John ... appreciate your anonymous stance and privacy (though you've thoroughly violated mine (my SC web site ... and my 'unfinished' song Evo-Trash!)) 

... just stop what may be perceived as snide remarks ... against aspiring top-drawer producers ... 2 of whom happen to be my best friends (Yoyo and Danny): calling them a "load of old dudes"  and/or slighting them as "histerical".   Do you not agree that OGrant, Ben, Yoyo, and Danny are all top-drawer performers and producers?  ... I fear they may be offended by your words?  Please extend your civility toward them.  Utmost Peace to you, John!)

@Trimph1:

'Listened to Faun and Heidevolk ... some tongue speaking or non-English ... Both seemed familiar *gothic* hybrids (perhaps a stereotype I'm spookily projecting) ... still difficult for me to judge without understanding the words.  IOWs, without knowing the words, these felt a bit spooky and creepy on 1st listen.  That said, they feel to me as extremely powerful artists, IMHO!!!!!... their unique instruments and style do inspire me!  They transcend the stereotype garage bands to be sure!!!

What inspires you most about Faun and Heidevolk?

To all: I'm trying to transcend stereotypes as an artist craves.


Thanks for the plug Phillip; it saddens me a bit that you and JT have not hit it off so well. Just assuming here but I think there is a bit of ideology behind what John found objectionable? Unfortunately that's the risk one must take when writing such lyrical content. You risk alienating those that may have been fans if they have differing viewpoints. It's bold to stand your ground and write what you feel passionate about. It could seriously interfere with success IMO.
 As for John he posted something in the X1 forum last winter. A wonderful song from a female singer that really had it. It was a wonderful pro sounding production to be sure. I'm pretty convinced we have the real McCoy with JT.
 He does get a little abrasive from time to time about subjects he feels passionate about but who doesn't. He kind of reminds me of Archie Bunker in a way and I've come to know when he is about to go off and look forward to it :)  For the most part I agree with much of his views about the technical aspect of audio engineering and many other things. Tough love but I think his views add much to this part of the forum and respect his views on many things. I also respect you and your beliefs brother and hope you take this as its meant.
2012/07/04 18:42:36
BenMMusTech
Philip


(@John ... appreciate your anonymous stance and privacy (though you've thoroughly violated mine (my SC web site ... and my 'unfinished' song Evo-Trash!)) 

... just stop what may be perceived as snide remarks ... against aspiring top-drawer producers ... 2 of whom happen to be my best friends (Yoyo and Danny): calling them a "load of old dudes"  and/or slighting them as "histerical".   Do you not agree that OGrant, Ben, Yoyo, and Danny are all top-drawer performers and producers?  ... I fear they may be offended by your words?  Please extend your civility toward them.  Utmost Peace to you, John!)

@Trimph1:

'Listened to Faun and Heidevolk ... some tongue speaking or non-English ... Both seemed familiar *gothic* hybrids (perhaps a stereotype I'm spookily projecting) ... still difficult for me to judge without understanding the words.  IOWs, without knowing the words, these felt a bit spooky and creepy on 1st listen.  That said, they feel to me as extremely powerful artists, IMHO!!!!!... their unique instruments and style do inspire me!  They transcend the stereotype garage bands to be sure!!!

What inspires you most about Faun and Heidevolk?

To all: I'm trying to transcend stereotypes as an artist craves.

Hey Philip, thanks but lets not waste our breath on "I pity the fool, Mr.T" his argument does not hold water.  For one if the artists of today are so great why are they not selling the number of records their older peers have and still do.
 
Lady Who Ha, is a cabaret act, sure she can still sell a few records but nothing like the numbers of an even mediocre Pink Floyd album and I don't think The Division Bell is mediocre.  It sold 6 Million units in 1994, I don't know what the offical numbers are now but Lady Who Ha can barely shift 4 Million and she is suppose to be the cream of the crop of today's artists and I say that word lightly (Don't forget a great album should shift more than 10 million units IMHO and a truly great peice of art goes on to sell 30 million).  Even Roger Waters solo album Amused to Death appropriate title for some around here, sold 2 million units in 1992.  Once again I don't know what the numbers are now.
 
Mr.T your lucky this is a virtual playground because I fought bullies like you at school.  Didn't always win but at least I stood proud.
 
As I have said to Deadbeat Pete, put your work up or shut up!!!.  Don't hide behind your Nana's dress excuse of copyright, copyright barely exsists any more.
 
At least the people Philip has mention, try and help and put up their work to be judged, all you do is judge.
 
All I can say from the imortal lines of The Wall is your opinion "Fills me with the urge to deficate".
 
Ben
2012/07/04 19:10:41
trimph1
A few thoughts from a mere stripling...

Some of the music coming out today sounds wonderful to my ears...Lady GaGa's included. I took my niece and nephew to a few concerts around here including Katy Perry's...and, yes, she can sing quite well. The issue here is that in order to be popular one has to cater to that audience that buys the music. That can take quite a toll on one...example? Amy Winehouse...my gods..what a voice she had!

My own taste in music tends to be pretty broad based...everything from NEU to TD to Amy Winehouse(RIP)..to Tiesto to Brahms concertos to Gong to Doc Watson(RIP) to Johnny Cash. That is just who I am...eclectic...
2012/07/04 21:11:59
John T
Hold up a second, Philip. What's this about "violating your privacy"? I have not the faintest idea who you are, and I'm not happy with you flinging vague accusations in my direction. 
2012/07/04 21:13:36
John T
I think you've all got me confused with someone else.  I've never posted a single note to the songs forum here, nor anywhere else. 
2012/07/04 21:19:25
John T
As for your list of "top drawer producers", I rate Danny very highly as a musician, engineer and human being. And I'm confident he knows that without your intervention, thanks. 

Of the others, I don't really know anything abut them, apart from Ben, who it's no secret I think is a cretin, talentless, and an all round nasty piece of work who should have took the hint and left these boards after at least his first ban, and defintely by his third or fourth or whatever we're now up to. if he's on your list of people you think I should look up to, then your judgement is unimpressive. 
2012/07/04 21:23:49
John T
This of course says nothing about the others who for all I know are splendid people. I venture that this trying to pull other people's names into your arguments is a bit out of order. 
2012/07/04 23:09:04
ohgrant
Sorry, thought that was you. Well at least you have OK taste in music.

OK boys, I want a good clean fight...No hitting below the belt and when you hear the bell go back to your corner
2012/07/04 23:16:40
BenMMusTech
John T


As for your list of "top drawer producers", I rate Danny very highly as a musician, engineer and human being. And I'm confident he knows that without your intervention, thanks. 

Of the others, I don't really know anything abut them, apart from Ben, who it's no secret I think is a cretin, talentless, and an all round nasty piece of work who should have took the hint and left these boards after at least his first ban, and defintely by his third or fourth or whatever we're now up to. if he's on your list of people you think I should look up to, then your judgement is unimpressive. 

It is those of us who dare to dream, to step out of the box, to push the envelope and to say there is no barrier who end up being judged as difficult, obnoxious, arrogant and yes even a cretin.
 
I go into bat for Philip because he is truly one of the good guys, you would beware your comments towards him because everyone on this board apart from you agree.
 
I don't care what you describe me as, I know where I sit in terms of my talent and am comfortable in my own skin.
 
I have said some off the wall stuff and said some highly rude and contentious stuff. Some of it was deserved in my opinion, some of it wasn't.  I'm use to being hated, loved, then hated again.
 
It is part and parcel of following your own tune.
 
Hmm isn't this what this thread is all about? How to follow your own tune, march to your own drum!
 
Most ordinary talented people fear and reject those that do march to the beat of their own drum, they try and tear that person down.  But those of us who have been beat up before and don't let it effect them, get up, dust off their pants, wipe the blood from their noses and fight back.
 
Who are you Mr.T??, your avatar say's Star Smart, what does this mean.  It sounds somewhat egotistical to me.  At least I have the balls to show who I am, put my title in user name and stand tall for what I believe in.
 
I am wrong sometimes, wow I can admit that I highly doubt you can!!.
 
Rant over sorry Philip.
 
Ben
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