2017/08/12 15:48:00
Glyn Barnes
Article on Bandcamp Daily
 
It looks like there may be some interesting stuff here, just dipping in I liked the sound of Jorge Pescara's "Reptilian Song", I will be listening in more detail when I have time.
 
I suspect Pedro will stop in and say Hi shortly.
 
2017/08/12 16:50:02
bapu
Can't listen today.
 
I gotz bazz tracks to due.
2017/08/12 20:02:27
Glyn Barnes
bapu
Can't listen today.
 
I gotz bazz tracks to due.

:)
2017/08/13 05:14:20
Moshkito
Glyn Barnes
Article on Bandcamp Daily
... 
I suspect Pedro will stop in and say Hi shortly.
 



Surprisingly enough I'm not as well versed on these in specific, however, the Brazilian scene has always had some interesting stuff and some of it way out there. Before I left Brazil in 1965, Maria Betania, Roberto Carlos, Antonio Varlos Jobim and others were starting to pick up their fame, and most of the work they did was different and progressive, compared to the popular stuff and the usual samba and bossa nova,
 
A few years later, the jazz scene in Brazil took off rather big, with Milton Nascimento, Egberto Gismonti, Nana Vasconcellos and even to an extent, Flora Purim and her drummer husband, that has a few albums as well. All of these made the Brazilian scene strong for my tastes in different styles of music. 
 
I was not well versed in the other progressive things in South America, although I have heard many times Los Jaivas.
 
The hard part of all this is that there is a lot of their "culture" in the music itself, and this is something that folks that are enamored with "progressive" do not like, and Spain is a great example of that, just because a band might infuse a Spanish guitar into the whole thing, and then not appreciated for their fine work ... like there are no Fenders in any other music all over the world, right? Things like Triana, Granada, and a few others were grossly ignored, and they were very strong and dedicated.
 
For those of you that like to read about the music revolution from the 60's on, ALL OVER THE WORLD, you really should check "EUROCK", by Archie Patterson, which is a collection of his periodical going back to the early 70's and he does not miss a single European country at all, and sometimes, makes one think that even Genesis ripped off OSANNA, who was doing theatrical and political stuff for several years already, and Genesis caught their shows more than once BEFORE they ended up doing the longer material and include some costumes. ANGE in France also did it, although I would say their material is more influenced by Jacques Brel and the German factory of Kurt Weill and Bertold Brecht .. and these are things that the history of "progressive (anything)" ignores mercilessly, and this hurts the cultural side of things and the appreciation of things that might come from Chile ... we will always compare it to what we know, and not simply listen for what it is ... or isn't.
 
South America, probably has more progressive music these days, than Europe, but sadly is not as well heard otherwise. 
 
Now you know why things like AC/DC don't turn me on ... by that time I had heard so much different stuff that more of the same just was not what I enjoyed, and that is not to say that it is bad ... just not my preference.
2017/08/13 13:49:35
jamesg1213
Moshkito
 
...and sometimes, makes one think that even Genesis ripped off OSANNA, who was doing theatrical and political stuff for several years already, and Genesis caught their shows more than once BEFORE they ended up doing the longer material and include some costumes. 




I doubt that's true, if you do some simple research on the timeline of the 2 bands. Osanna were formed in 1970, the same year Genesis recorded Trespass, which is made of 6 tracks, none under 4 minutes long. They also supported Genesis on tour in 1972, so I would guess their costume/make-up influences came at least partly from Gabriel.
 
This constant berating of bands for 'ripping off' people is quite spurious you know, a load of stuff was happening concurrently in the early '70s, and people were influencing each other.
2017/08/13 21:23:59
craigb
For someone who wasn't well versed on the specific topic, that was a lot of tl;dr! 
 
As for my collection, I have some Bacamarte, Os Mutantes, Sagrado Coracao Da Terra and Violeta De Outono that would fall into the Progressive arena.
2017/08/13 21:32:10
jamesg1213
I'd highly recommend reading 'Brecht, Weill & Brel, Their Importance in the History of Progressive Music' by Donatella Noboddi.
2017/08/13 21:41:32
craigb

2017/08/13 22:23:07
bapu
jamesg1213
I'd highly recommend reading 'Brecht, Weill & Brel, Their Importance in the History of Progressive Music' by Donatella Noboddi.

ROTFLMAO
2017/08/14 23:19:33
Moshkito
jamesg1213
 
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This constant berating of bands for 'ripping off' people is quite spurious you know, a load of stuff was happening concurrently in the early '70s, and people were influencing each other.




"Osanna were among the first bands in the world to present themselves theatrically in their shows, featuring costumes and made-up faces."
 
And if you do a little more research in EUROCK, with the actual members of the band, they had been doing theatrical material on stage for a couple of years already before they became, almost exclusively a rock band ... which is when Wiki and YOU, decided that the band was born.
 
Before you decide that I am wrong ... go read a bit more ... instead of the crap that often comes off as "important" in a place that uses "fans" and "friends" to invent history. And folks like you love to think that it is all true and peachy clean all the time.
 
The British did not invent progressive music, and neither did they start the movements that helped define progressive music, for which many other composers from all over the world (mostly Europe), and artists, whose experimental work was considerably more out there than in London. London, does however get some credit for having taken many of those experiments and adding them to theater, and Peter Brook gets a lot of that credit, but if you check his tendencies and studies, they are not only Zen, but way out there in a completely different sensibility that is not British or English, or American at all.
 
But, some folks will NEVER stop saying that Genesis, Yes and ELP invented progressive music. That just shows how much music you really know and listen to. Even in Germany, there were "word plays" and "musical theater" that was out of control, and eventually gave us many experimental folks, like Werner Herzog, Wim Wenders, and this also helped bring out bands like Can, Amon Duul 1 and 2 and Faust, not to mention the total free form turn the knob factory of music.
 
You just think that progressive is something that came out of nothing in England ... and Genesis invented ... it's got to be the name with its biblical implications that make you think that is true!
 
Go check the progressions in other arts and how they blended. Even in Czechoslovakia there were groups that were massive in 1968 in their revolution of which the leader also enjoyed openly. Same thing in France during the riots, and Daevid Allen was there where he met the majority of folks that ended up in their eponymous band, which was theatrical in words, but Daevid always had outfits with him.
 
This makes me want to hate Genesis so much for being more pretentious than most progressive music ... you have no idea! ELP was more original, even though some of the classical music they worked with was nowhere near England in origin, though I have to check all these pieces. KE's attacks were way more important and interesting as interpretation of music, than some words about Mack the Arseholy!
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