I don't know, if I had to give an opinion as to who has ruined "music" over the last 30 years, I would have to hands down say that it was the big record companies and not software.  Software is just a tool.  

Use it, don't use it.  It's not going to write the hit song for you; that still comes from the skill of the writer.  I know one thing is for sure; technology will continue to move forward, it up to the musician to do what he will with it.

If you don't like the digital editing possibilities of the modern DAW; you should see what is possible with Photoshop these days.

If you guys have spent reading what people say who work professionally mixing other people's music, you'd know how badly abused these tools are these days. It's discussed fairly reguarly on places like Gearslutz among folks who are expected to take content that's created fairly piecemeal and to basically put it together in the mix and they often spend days editing songs. And clearly among the 'post it on forums' crowd there's a massive amount of 'created in the computer' content (and I don't mean EDM, which is honestly created in a computer but apparently organic music in which the performances are effectively created in the computer.)

This is the last I'm going to say. I've made my point, and it's clear that others are going to just continue forever with the inch vs. a mile thing, which is a waste of time. I'm not making any arguing for 'rules', I'm arging for integrity and honesty in the making of music. I'm saying that small fixes to save magic moments in absolutely no way justify what is becoming business as usual today.

That's it. Continue to rationalize your actions without me.

MakeShift

If you don't like the digital editing possibilities of the modern DAW; you should see what is possible with Photoshop these days.

I know what's possible, and the wrong things about that are the same wrong things about how modern digital corrective tools are being abused. It creates an unrealistic expectation, in which human performance is not acceptable anymore.

 

Great, now my son has a textbook example of another logical fallacy to see in action. The classic appeal to authority. As if none of us are or know professional musicians.  I have worked in the industry and probably have as much familiarity with what goes on in studios s much as, if not more than you.  You still are incapable of pointing out even one hit album that does what you claim has somehow made music worthless. I'm just asking for one album title of an artist that somehow used audiosnap or some other similar technology to sound perfect despite not being able to play well.  Just one.

They never should have made bic lighters.  In my day we had to light the cave up by waiting for a lightning storm to start a forest fire

droddey

MakeShift

If you don't like the digital editing possibilities of the modern DAW; you should see what is possible with Photoshop these days.

I know what's possible, and the wrong things about that are the same wrong things about how modern digital corrective tools are being abused. It creates an unrealistic expectation, in which human performance is not acceptable anymore.

 

       Exsqueese me?!?!?!?

I don't think so...do you have evidence of this?

I have yet to hear of anyone who actually thinks that everything has to be done exactly the same as on the record....

Can I state for the record I'm not making an inch into a mile. I think the inch version of the argument is wrong as it is.

Bottom line: I can barely think of anything duller than this obsession with authenticity. Like music should be "real", like, I dunno, wood or something. Ugh. I want to have my mind boggled by music, and I don't really care how that's achieved.

Ironic, I think, that the OP that started this was precisely about how painstaking and skilled using such tools actually is.

 Painstaking indeed, for the most part it's easier to just redo or punch in if possible. If not... like building a ship in a bottle for just minor adjustments.  Anyone mastering AS enough to transform crap into a hit certainly is gifted IMO and could probably also spin straw into gold.

droddey

jamesg1213

These days, it's almost the opposite, with millions of virtual bands putting out music, the bulk of whom never play live, or play in a local bar band on the weekend or something. A lot of them probably (though the secretly wish it wasn't true) know they have zero chance so it doesn't even matter. They'll never have to face the embarrassment of trying to actually perform the highly faked up songs they put out anyway.

Dean, this is just isn't true, no matter how much you want it to be. There are just as many young bands playing live now as there were 'back in the day'.

I doubt that's true actually, unless you mean playing a local bar. Folks who have been in the business all along say that the live venue situation is horrible these days, with bands often having to pay to play.
 
Anyway, even if there were the same number, the point is that there now tens of thousands of times more people putting out music than then, and there clearly are not tens of thousands of times more people playing live gigs. Ergo, the vast bulk of them are not playing live music to any degree, and many not at all.
 

I wonder why that is..could it be because the DJ has taken over? Or some club owners don't want the hassle of having to book entire bands? Around here we seem to have a lot of clubs hiring bands...and not having them pay for the privilege of doing same...

On top of which...well...excuse me that I am just a mere dilettante who plays my own instruments...sheeesh.