Yeah, I've seen it a number of times. I don't really like it much, to be honest. I like Gilmore's stuff on it, especially the distorted lap steel stuff, and Mason definitely does the best drumming he ever did on it, but I don't really dig the actual tunes very much. Always thought Echoes was a bit of a drag. And the other two totally phone it in throughout, for my money.

Somewhat subjective this, I'll grant.

John T


I used to think I liked Pink Floyd, but I eventually realised I just liked Gilmour's guitar playing. He's awesome, I could listen to him all day. But as a band I think they're mostly dreadful.

Clearly the reason they are one of the most revered and biggest selling acts of all time. Wish You Were Head and Animals are just monster albums, which I don't think anyone today could touch. And, even if they could, no one would because you'd have about zero chance at suckling at the corporate tit with albums that cast that cynical an eye on the tits themselves. And these days it seems like people consider success to be getting a song used on a commercial or in a movie soundtrack. You'll have somewhat better luck on the music soundtrack if you make less than happy music. But still, the move on the part of consumers to just abandon their morals and start stealing whatever they want has put the corporate tit back on the top in the music business.

John T


Hi Charlie: I'm saying the exact opposite of that. I think whatever makes for a killer record is fine with me.

i knew that john,you know i respect you hommie..:)

The idea that music reached some unsurpassed peak in the mid 70s - some 40 years ago - is one on which we're very unlikely to reach agreement. The idea that were there such a peak, bloody Animals would represent it, is laughable.

Yeah, Charlie, I guessed we'd just got out of sync on the thread there somehow.

I remember quite clearly the moment I started to go off Pink Floyd. I was listening to Animals, and yer man sang BLEATING AND BABBLING, WE FELL ON HIS NECK WITH A SCREAM, and I thought to myself "This is nowhere near as good as listening to Chic".

I tended towards the more woolier side of psych and space rock around then...bands like Hawkwind or now-a-days, Orange Goblin seem to be more what I go after, as well as the aforementioned ones...

Or, the Fall....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAWHUa9AM1s

Ah, now The Fall are another thing entirely. Remarkable, staggeringly unique stuff.

I think what droddey might be partially saying (Im trying not to be to presumptuous) is that when you have dedicated a large chunk of your life to music. Meaning living on the road in vans, crappy hotel rooms, playing for hand fulls of people on some nights. Then get home to rehearsals, writing, recording, and then going back on the road to support your record is lots and lots of hard work and dedication.
 
I think he might feel that people are looking for short-cuts using computers. I dont know. And if thats the case, having done all the above. I personaly feel making the record you want to make is hard work no matter how you go about it.
 
I think we are all one sort or another of an artist and should give one another the benefit of the doubt.
 
This is when all sides attack me ; )