Wow this thread still going?

I keep checking in to see if this huge list of talentless pop/rock stars that have a career built on pitch and timing correction has been listed yet.

Aparently not.........

There are quite a few 'name' artists that employ auto-tune. People that have proved that they can sing - Enrique Iglesias, the guy from Maroon 5, Madonna..heck, even those nice young fellers 'JLS'. At the moment, that 'sound' is a production choice, and will probably become passe', just like the syndrum, a Phil Collins snare explosion, or Stock Aitken & Waterman's glossy synths. What I simply don't believe, is that there are ''millions of virtual bands putting out music, the bulk of whom never play live'', who are allegedly auto-tuning and audio-snapping themselves senseless.

dubdisciple


Appeal to Authority

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[argumentum ad verecundiam), it is argued that something is true, because someone of authority (like an expert) says it is true.  

No one needs to have grade school debating logic explained here, I would hope. I'm not appealing to St. Augustine for proof of the existence of God here, or some 'expert' on Expert Village. It was a direct quote by one of the biggest mixers out there, who has worked on a butt load of major records, and of course his brother has worked on a huge butt load of others, and I'm guessing that they have discussed their work with each other. Do you really think he doesn't know what is going on out there? You guys are going to continue to deny any evidence provided. If I provide a direct quote from a major artist you'd just claim it was unsubstantiated and insist that I provide a video of the person actually saying it.
 

This whole thing has gone pear shaped. 

To my way of thinking the idea that a 'tool' is of the EVILZZZZ is very overwrought. I listen to a fair bit of popular music when I'm out and about for work and, to my ears, it does not sound like it is used all that much. 

To you it may be bad to use it..but that is it...to YOU.

And just because a 'major record producer' says that 'X' is bad does not make it so....

droddey...evidently we DO need to break this down on a grade school level because you apparently cannot comprehend that simply throwing out names that you feel agree with you is not supporting your statements at all. John T already pointed out that you basically puked out a lot of red herring material that was irrelevant to your point. You seem to have trouble answering even the most basic of questions. You say things like there are tutorials all over Youtube showing people how to "cheat". We ask simple questions like show us one example of an awful singer going from awful to good. Or a good singer going from good to great. Instead you gave us a bunch of links of opinions. It;s ironic that you should use religion as an example because your methodology is the reason religions cannot agree. Not to turn this into a religious topic. just makign the analogy that if religion A claims my mine is true because my god says so and religion B says mine is true because mine says so, you come to an impasse. Of course there are people who agree with you but there are plenty who don't as well. Without objective proof of your position you are simply just echoing your own rant and using the rants of others as validation.

Do you really think that, say, Katy Perry's albums are not extremely edited, tuned, comped, etc... Are you that naive? BTW, just to find out what other people think, I started a thread on Gearslutz about it. Basically everything there thinks you guys are delusional:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/all-about-music/739039-proof-fakery-pop-music.html

Though some folks there take the same position as some here that the don't care, not one person there believes that I'm wrong, and they think that you guys have to be deaf not to hear the fact that somehow all pop music today is perfectly in tune and perfectly in time, and heavily edited. Then of course it immediatley got moved to an obscure section because they don't want this kind of thing being talked about too openly there for the same reasons that most people in the industry don't. And of course others also made the same (obvious) point I did about why it's not talked about.
 

You have just evoked ChuckGrudenface....

Good Grief.

Just because I said that I do not notice how often autotune is used does not require you to then say that WE are DELUSIONAL....

You seem to be not able to handle a disagreement without resorting to psychosocializing your opponents....sheeesh.

OK...maybe it would be wonderful if everyone did things as real as just a microphone to a tape recorder without all these horrible effects...would that make it better for you?

I didn't say anyone was, I said that was the general attitude on the other thread I started. Feel free to read it for yourself if you think I've misrepresented it. I've not been rude on this thread, I've expressed and defended my position. OTOH, I've been subjected to a lot of snarky comments and worse, and I've not responded to them.