2012/06/16 16:17:10
trimph1



I don't care..if it moves me...it be good!!
2012/06/16 16:27:35
bapu
trimph1





I don't care..if it moves me...it be good!!

Everybody thinks it
BarrySezIt.
2012/06/16 16:43:13
FastBikerBoy
I can personally vouch that if you can't sing autotune won't help.

I also get fed up with Sonar sometimes. I can play a perfect take and Sonar usually manages to alter the timing here and there and make me sound average.... so it works both ways.

I'm actually great and the software makes me sound crap.
2012/06/16 16:46:51
droddey
And people wonder why music has no value these days. We are on a forum dedicated to making music and everyone is making the argument that skill doesn't count. Why bother actually spending years learning to play when you can just use digital tools to correct everything?

If you guys want to be appologists for mediocrity, knock yourselves out. I, for one, will give respect to people who earn it. Why can't people understand that the reason performance enhancing drugs are kept out of most legitimte sports is because it makes the performance worthless, because the results are not earned. Watching a baseball game is no different from listening to music. Do you really think it would be the same if everyone knew that every player out there was hyped up beyond belief on steriods and it was as easy for them to knock the ball out of the park as to take a poop?

When music is made without the work required to master the process, it has the same low value. It dilutes the value of those people who really can do it for real, which used to not be nearly so much of a problem, because it was actually easier to just get people who could play than to fix crappy performances with the tools available.

So, anyway, go ahead and be the cheerleader squad for mediocrity, but don't expect me to respect that opinion, any more than I respect mediocrity pretending to be what it's not.
2012/06/16 17:13:12
John T
I have absolutely no interest in mediocre music. But I think there are lots of ways to make really great music, and plenty of them aren't much to do with instrumental virtuosity.
2012/06/16 17:13:28
trimph1
 


Wait one cotton pickin' minute here...who said anything about mediocrity?


I am a mere hobbyist..nowhere near the semi-professional scenario. And I am taking music lessons with a drummer here...


And I darn well know that autotune will not rescue a bad singing voice. 


Sheeesh...
2012/06/16 17:14:30
John T
Also... kind of question begging, this "music has no value" thing. Does it have no value? I hadn't noticed that.
2012/06/16 17:15:58
John T
Also... that baseball analogy is insane.
2012/06/16 17:21:46
droddey
Whatever. I've stated my opinion. Feel free to disagree. I'm just on the record as stating that the use of these tools does not serve music. It's a little hard for me to see music as a vehicle for honest expression when the music itself is so dishonestly made. If everyone put a big disclaimer on their songs/albums stating how much they cheated making it, I'd not have any complaints. But we all know that ain't how it works.
2012/06/16 17:22:41
John T
Well, maybe they don't see it as cheating.
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