I've pointed out numerous times, if you are have great performances, you save a great performance by fixing one flubbed note, that's a good thing. You are saving 99% of a great take by fixing one small thing with a punch in.

And I've asked the question numerous times what is the difference between fixing one flubbed note with audiosnap/pitch correction and fixing it with a drop in?

Your argument seems to be that the drop in method makes the player a virutuoso and the audiosnap/pitch correction method makes them some sort of untalented, ham fisted cheat. Very strange logic.

This thread puts me in mind of a single I really like from about five or six years ago, called "Girls In The Back", by a band called White Rose Movement. Now, the thing about that record is, it's built upon bass / drums / guitar / keys recording. But it's quantised up the wazoo, to a bizarrely unreal degree. Live bands simply don't sound like that, no matter how tight they are. Now, I think that's a great record, and I think the machine like artificiality of it is a huge part of the reason why it's great. The argument being put forward in this thread seems to be that it would be more ethically correct for them to have made a *less good* record. I can't get my head around that.

I've just looked back at that post up there and see that volume and EQ automation are apparently also verboten.

You're supposed to ride the faders and such?

So if I had the perfect take, in terms of guitar playing and feel, but I do not like the guitar sound in grand scheme of it all, I am not allowed to change it?

There might be some pro's around here that can plan the sound out from scratch, but I cannot add up the implications of the frequencies of 20+ tracks in advance, to dial in the EQ perfectly before tracking.

I don't think he's saying you can't EQ, just that you can't automate it. Why this is, I'm not sure.

I quite like the idea of having completely arbitrary recording rules, though. Like Dogme95 for musicians. You shall never record a sax solo on a Wednesday, unless you are wearing a kaftan. Stuff like that.

Bass players get an extra biscuit.

Anyone caught having fun will be ejected from the studio.

FastBikerBoy

I've pointed out numerous times, if you are have great performances, you save a great performance by fixing one flubbed note, that's a good thing. You are saving 99% of a great take by fixing one small thing with a punch in.

And I've asked the question numerous times what is the difference between fixing one flubbed note with audiosnap/pitch correction and fixing it with a drop in?

Your argument seems to be that the drop in method makes the player a virutuoso and the audiosnap/pitch correction method makes them some sort of untalented, ham fisted cheat. Very strange logic.

i am a huge fan of punch in recording(drop in/drop out)and even drop in and finish.
but i had to chime in and say there is abso lutely no difference between punching and fixing a note or two with autosnap.
 
fixing a whole song?
well thats the difference between a professional and a freshy.
 
let me explain something,when you split a clip and drag its signal to match the bass guitar with kick drum.
there is nothing in the world to make something sound more punchy,more dead on.
in retrospect this is the samething as autosnaping
i learned this trick from william edstrom jr. who is one of the most professional engineers in the business.
 
its what every professional studio is doing now a days.
 
so here we find ourselfs laying between what is moraly right and what sounds professional.
sorry but my customers and myself are looking for the hit records.
and when one is looking for a hit record,one leaves there morals at the door.