BobF

Beepster
I'm addicted to tuna.
 
But I tolerate eggs as an easy/cheap protein source.

Costco tuna is the bestest ever.  Love the stuff.

Isn't that the truth?

I'm really against low carb diet where people stuff themselves with meat.
I mean, eh, fruits and veggies won't make you fat. Complex carbs won't either.
I have been eating everything all my life (and I'm not very active, or have good genes since I can put on weight if I actually eat more than I should) without having any weight problems.
It really is you eat way too much more than your body burns.
It's simple as that.

*tunasammichesofficiallybeginpercolatin'inmahbelly*

Hi beepster,
 
I appreciate the discourse, and of course it's never wrong to watch your arteries. That said, I do think you are operating on old information there.
 
I am not in the Air Force - that picture comes from when I took a combat school course last summer and got to fly prop planes with laser designation; I got to play fighter pilot for a day! :)
 
I actually run a software company and spend a lot of time behind a desk. I just turned 48 and around 40 or so my health took a very nasty turn. I got really heavy, seemed to need anti-depressants, and all of my blood numbers were aweful. 
 
I was also showing signs of pre-diebeties, and that scared the hell out of me.
 
I took it upon myself to solve my health issues. It's been a very long and winding road. For one thing, I found my testosterone had bottomed out at about 170 or so. I found a very progressive doctor and got on t replacement therapy. I also gave up all wheat and gluten about 3 years ago (one of the best things I ever did). My wife and son did as well and they will never go back. My daughter won't give it up, but she won't eat read meat, go figure. :)
 
When reading about wheat and the effects of genetically modified food (the wheat you eat today isn't even in the same ballpark of chromosomes as the wheat that was eaten 100 years ago), I came across the science of a keto diet. Atkins was waaaaay ahead of his time - the part that came after was needing moderate protein and HIGH fat. 
 
If you eat low carb and high fat, your energy is always up, you are almost never hungry, and you don't have to eat much to sustain in.
 
Consider this:
a. A gram of carbs has 4 calories of energy
b. A gram of protein has 4 calrories of energy
c. A gram of fat has 9 calories of energy
 
Also consider that most natural carbs (fruits) where seasonal and very limited in each area and which form of fuel do you think the body would choose to run on?
 
Ug, I remember eating egg white omelets and hating them. Turns out the current research shows that we actually absorb little to no cholesterol in what we eat - our bodies actually make it. so by removing the yolks, you actually remove all the good stuff your body needs from it! 
 
I remember switching to skim milk and hating it. Turns out again that the good fats were removed and I was left with the carbs! WRONG
 
If you look at the rise of obesity you will see it directly correlates with the introduction of the food pyramid. 
 
I'm not doctor and I won't try to convince you, but I will tell you I've taken this journey under the watchful eye of an exceptional doctor with blood pulled every 3 to 6 months and a keto diet, in my humble opinion, is how humans are supposed to eat.
 
Do the homework - read the books! The info is out there but everyone believes the old science (research that too and see how much it was bungled and how much was political) and then decide how you want to live your life.
 
I am approaching 50 and healthier than I've been in 15+ years. I eat bacon almost every day and steaks at least twice a week. I put butter on everything I want to - sometimes I just eat butter by itself. A half of an avocado and an egg is plenty of good fuel for most of the day I keep my carbs below 50g a day.
 
I also just completed a 4 day fast a weeks ago, as did my wife.
 
All of us were lied to - and the obesity and heart disease epidemic in this country shows the results!
 
Again, for any of you not happy with how you feel - DO THE HOMEWORK.
 
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josnorgren
I'm really against low carb diet where people stuff themselves with meat.
I mean, eh, fruits and veggies won't make you fat. Complex carbs won't either.
I have been eating everything all my life (and I'm not very active, or have good genes since I can put on weight if I actually eat more than I should) without having any weight problems.
It really is you eat way too much more than your body burns.
It's simple as that.

Sorry to tell you this, but according to the current science you are precisely 100% wrong. Carbs are EXACTLY what make you fat. It's the process of turning carbs into glucose, and then flooding your blood with insulin from your pancreas that promotes the fat storing behavior. 
 
If you have no weight problems eating whatever you want, then you are one of the lucky ones with genetics that allow it. However, how often do you get your lipid panel from blood work, or hormone levels from blood work?
 
There is a term called "skinny fat", where skinny people have the same internal problems as heavy people they just don't carry the fat.
 
The old idea of weight being a factor of consuming less calories than you eat has been debunked; that is not how the body works.

smallstonefan
 
The old idea of weight being a factor of consuming less calories than you eat has been debunked; that is not how the body works.

After 57 years of intensive research, I can categorically state that my body works exactly like that. If I consume more calories than I burn, I get fatter.
 

jamesg1213

smallstonefan
 
The old idea of weight being a factor of consuming less calories than you eat has been debunked; that is not how the body works.

After 57 years of intensive research, I can categorically state that my body works exactly like that. If I consume more calories than I burn, I get fatter.
 

It seems like calories are a lot easier to obtain than to dispose of. 
 
This is the basis for my lack of belief in "Intelligent Design".  If our designers were intelligent, we would be able to consume mass quantities of pizza, alcoholic beverages, toasted sourdough garlic bread and bacon without adverse consequence.
 
 

There'll always be a new study to contradict what the previous one, and today's panacea is tomorrow's poison. So as far as I'm concerned, ultimately, the proof si in the pudding.
 
Eating steak and fries is likely to lead me to spend the evening on the couch watching tv - and probably eating more junk whilst my body is still trying to metabolize my dinner, with added benefits such as heartburn, gas, etc...
 
Eating a salad or skinless chicken breast and veggies seems to provide a much more efficient source of energy - instead of spending my evening on the couch, I'm ready to go out jogging or to spend time in the gym 30 to 45 minutes after my meal. Which also mean that I'll probably sleep better and wake up full of energy and feeling sharper, which in turn leads me to be more active and to maintain a healthier lifestyle - and that cycle goes on.

Rain
There'll always be a new study to contradict what the previous one, and today's panacea is tomorrow's poison. So as far as I'm concerned, ultimately, the proof si in the pudding.
 
Eating steak and fries is likely to lead me to spend the evening on the couch watching tv - and probably eating more junk whilst my body is still trying to metabolize my dinner, with added benefits such as heartburn, gas, etc...
 
Eating a salad or skinless chicken breast and veggies seems to provide a much more efficient source of energy - instead of spending my evening on the couch, I'm ready to go out jogging or to spend time in the gym 30 to 45 minutes after my meal. Which also mean that I'll probably sleep better and wake up full of energy and feeling sharper, which in turn leads me to be more active and to maintain a healthier lifestyle - and that cycle goes on.

I've read about Keto and followed similar for a few years.  IMO, the Keto stuff is as real as it gets.  Your post makes the most important point on the subject - it's about overall lifestyle.  If you're not active in proportion to your intake you're creating your own growth opportunity   Lean muscle consumes energy.  It's all pretty simple to understand from the 10,000' level.

Rain
There'll always be a new study to contradict what the previous one, and today's panacea is tomorrow's poison. So as far as I'm concerned, ultimately, the proof si in the pudding.
 
Eating steak and fries is likely to lead me to spend the evening on the couch watching tv - and probably eating more junk whilst my body is still trying to metabolize my dinner, with added benefits such as heartburn, gas, etc...
 
Eating a salad or skinless chicken breast and veggies seems to provide a much more efficient source of energy - instead of spending my evening on the couch, I'm ready to go out jogging or to spend time in the gym 30 to 45 minutes after my meal. Which also mean that I'll probably sleep better and wake up full of energy and feeling sharper, which in turn leads me to be more active and to maintain a healthier lifestyle - and that cycle goes on.

Hi Rain,
 
I completely understand where you are coming from, but you don't have the whole picture. Firstly, potatoes are carbs so if you consume lots of carbs you will feel sluggish. :) Also, you are currently a sugar burner, not a fat burner so you can't compare a mean or two of high protein/fat to chicken and veggies.
 
Low carbs, moderate protein, high fat. You need all three of these to make it work.
 
Also, to be in ketosis takes weeks to get there. I used my 4 day fast to jump start the ketone production, but it still took two weeks for my body to adapt. The body literally changes physically to adapt. Your mitochondria adapt, and your brain adapts. This process can be unpleasant for a few days and is often referred to as the keto flu. Once you get through it though, you have energy in abundance and often skip a meal without even thinking about it. The brain also prefers to run on ketones, and the mental clarity and cognitive processes COME BACK to a higher degree that you can imagine. My moods are also more stable. Also, at 45+ I lifted the most weights of my life (about 20 pounds short of the 1000 pound club) while eating this way.
 
I'm sure when people started saying the Earth was round others said "that's just a fad". What's crazy is to think that the science we learned 30 or 40 years ago was the last word on nutrition - or even in the proper ballpark. New info is available, but since it doesn't make anyone money you don't hear about  it.
 
It's on you to own your own experience. You have to do the full research. You have to know the ins and outs, the science, the pitfalls, and the physical process. I have a friend that fasted for 30 days. THIRTY FREAKING DAYS on ketosis. While holding down a job and raising kids. Side note, I consider myself smart and this is the smartest guy I've ever personally met.
 
To all of you - there is new science and research. There are ways to get off SOME medications and prevent going on others. You can feel better, look better, and think better BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE HOMEWORK and you have to DO THE WORK.
 
Tell you want, if any of you SERIOUSLY want to learn a way to be healthier, PM me your address. I'll send you a copy of the book Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore; it was a life-changer for my family. I'll send up to 5 books out total - first come first serve.