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2015/01/04 18:57:02
bapu
Soundblend
Question's to all !

1. So what Audio Interface's do you use , and why ?
2. Did you have another audio interface before, and what was the main reason for the change ?
3. Did your mixes come out better, because of the Audio Interface, or because of new plugins ?
4. other ?

1. RME Fireface UFX because I want quality, stability and little to no coloration. I used to use my TASCAM FW-1884 as my main interface, now it's just a control surface and "extra" MIDI interface if I need more.
 
2. See  # 1, since going ITB I've only had the FW-1884 and the RME. 
 
3. My mixes come out better because of what I've learned in the forums and trial and error and as others have said, learning my equipment.
 
4. N/A.
2015/01/04 19:23:49
michaelhanson
I think most of the interfaces at there relative price points, are pretty competitive these days.  I would pick the number of outs and ins you require, what additional features you need, check on the history of updating drivers and then go with the product that you have researched and feel most comfortable with.
 
Here is the thing, in all of the years that I have followed the songs forum here, I have never seen any one comment or critique a song and mention anything about what interface they are using. 
2015/01/05 08:17:06
Guitarhacker
In theory, and for all intents and purposes.... digital is digital...whether it's a $20 sound card or a full featured interface costing hundreds of dollars.
 
In referring to the interface, you said:  But are we " forgetting " how it may sound ? Probably the most important part !
Simply put, the interface should NOT impart anything of itself into the "sound" you hear. It should simply be a faithful replicator of the sound you got from your sources coming in. Nothing more..... nothing less.
 
However......
 
The differences in sound from one interface to the next would be in the preamps and the output amps circuitry. Obviously, the circuits are similar but not exact, therefore one could expect to "hear" a slight difference from one brand to the next under really good conditions.  Going a step further,  the studio speakers make a significant difference in the sound heard, but mostly, the person operating the system makes the largest difference in the sound quality with all other things being the same.
 
If I'm not careful, and paying full attention to details, using the same exact studio system here in my humble studio, I can produce some good sounding stuff or stuff that needs lots of work (after the fact) to get it right.
 
I use a Focusrite Saffire firewire interface. I've had it for 7+ years now and have run it on 2 different computers. It's solid, and sounds good. To me, "sounds good" means it doesn't seem to color the music I record.... it typically  sounds a bit drab or flat with the raw tracks before I add EQ/FX or when I drop all the FX and EQ into bypass mode. Similar to how you described it below with less bass and treble. However, I for one, don't want the interface to give me a biased, colored, fat bass and crisp highs....I just want it to record a flat, unbiased, true representation of the sound coming in from the mic or guitar amp. I will use FX in the tracks and busses to get the EQ right or record it again.
 
In the OP you said:  First thing i noticed with the 18i8 was...., it is less sensitive on the inputs ( need more gain ) on the input stage. it had less bass and treble, compared to the Ci1 and it sounded more mid ranged and " clean " compared to the Ci1 more " saturated " sound.
 
Were you aware of, did you install, and did you properly adjust the software control panel on the Focusrite? Your input levels are set in it, as are the output levels.  With the settings I have, there is more than enough gain in the preamps. I rarely run input levels above 50% or so on the guitar or the mic signal front panel knobs. I don't recall the levels I use inside the software control panel since it's been years since I needed to tweek them (both in and out)  but I know it's low (40% to 50% IIRC) because when I was setting it for the first time..... yeah, let's just say, that control panel can really push the volume over  the top if you're not careful.  I also have the studio monitors set to the 50% detente on the volume control pots.  So nothing in my studio is cranked, and there it plenty of upside room should I find it necessary.

As far as the bass, mids and treble..... I would expect the Focusrite to be "clean" sounding as you mentioned. If there is an exaggerated bass or mid or treble response, that would NOT be a good thing in a quality interface used for recording. The last thing you want is a defaulted biased response or perhaps the correct word is coloration of the sound. You want to hear what's actually being recorded to track without coloration. You want to hear the strengths and the deficiencies in the music you have recorded.
 
With all other things being equal, the biggest cause of bias in a studio (aside from the engineer) would be the speakers.  When I went to buy my studio monitors, I did a side by side comparison of the available brands with the same musical reference material....and yes, there is quite a difference in the EQ response across the manufacturers and brands. Some are "flatter" and some do exhibit certain frequency biases. My only advice there is to buy what you like and learn the response curves of your speakers well.
 
Focusrite makes some really nice quality interfaces. The preamps are pristine.... perhaps transparent would be a better way to say it.  I've heard a few guys in the Cake forums over the years complain that the Focusrite pre's were "too clean" and that they wanted some coloration in the signal....especially for vocal mics. The advice they were given by others, was to purchase specific mic preamps, generally tube based, that were known in the industry to give a "warmer" tone. Then, simply run that into the Focusrite's transparent pre's properly adjusted and let it roll.
 
I don't think you can go wrong with Focusrite. Just my opinion..... However, there are also a number of other fine quality interfaces available that will give you good value and service for your money.
 
OK that's my 2 cents on this issue.
 
2015/01/05 11:26:55
batsbrew
i've been using a PCI card, a MAudio Audiophile 192 for about 6 years now...
 
and have yet to hear any USB unit that i think sounds really any better.
 
granted, i'm somewhat limited in what i can do with that card (i'm still on WinXP, so it is rock solid)....
no dsp, no latency free monitoring, etc...
 
but it still sounds just as good as the >$1000 range units i've used/heard.
i paid $179
2015/01/06 07:39:24
Guitarhacker
batsbrew
i've been using a PCI card, a MAudio Audiophile 192 for about 6 years now...
 
and have yet to hear any USB unit that i think sounds really any better.
 
granted, i'm somewhat limited in what i can do with that card (i'm still on WinXP, so it is rock solid)....
no dsp, no latency free monitoring, etc...
 
but it still sounds just as good as the >$1000 range units i've used/heard.
i paid $179




 
There you go..... digital is digital....If you've heard Bat's tunes... you know that's some good stuff.....
 
if it wasn't for the latency inherent in the factory cards/chips and the problem they have running ASIO, they too would sound excellent.
2015/01/06 08:32:48
johnnyV
A friend of mine who's been a record producer for a long time ( and yes, he made real records) 
Said when talking about gear,
"People who don't know what there doing obsess about buying gear, People who know sound use what ever they are given and get the best results".  
 
And Bat's songs are the among best I've listened to on the song forum.  
2015/01/06 22:44:09
Vastman
mixmkr
I'd think the goal is to have the cleanest interface.  Not one that is warmer, etc.  Just the most accurate.
 
I won't disagree two interfaces can sound different, but I'd think the really low end products would be the most noticeable and ones that contrast.
I also tend to believe you get what you pay for...but nowadays the differences are much smaller and it costs A LOT more to get that final 2%.


Over the years I've had a number of interfaces and last time I had to move on from a failed focusrite pro 24 dsp/vrm unit I tried several after reading everything on rmi and the others in that catagory.  As soon as I spent a night with the Forte and it's advanced RedNetish pre's I returned everything and have been in heaven every since... lovely pre's for both voice and guitars/bass, and just a jewel to work with...I didn't care about all the ins/outs as a solo songwriter VI based songwriter but for the money it wupped everything I've used/tried...best $400ish I ever spent. If the ins/outs suit your needs, go to GC or call Sweetwater with no risk...
 
You won't return it!
2015/01/07 08:56:56
pentimentosound
Big Ditto on Bat's stuff! There's not an area (writing/performance/recording/arrangements/mixes) that isn't top notch!
 
Like Johnny V, I got a Tascam us1641, because it sounded good (for the money), but now I have a new desktop -i7 4790k 4ghz ASRock Z97 Anniversary 8.1, 16gb DDR3 (32 on the way), 1 WD +2 Seagates, and I want to update my I/O. So, I've been waiting to read reviews on the Tascam 16X08, while I read up on my various options.
1. Focusrite Saffire Pro26 (Sweetwater's got em for $299 w/$50 rebate)
plus I'd need a FW port
2. SPL Crimson - very intriguing, but would it work for me
3. Just go with an RME FF800
4. Audient i22 + ____?(theirs or a UA 4-710 with my preamps? just bought Warm Audio WA76+TB12)
I don't track bands anymore. I get to do my own (and my wife's)stuff. I do everything, one at a time, to drum loops/tracks, guitars/bass, then whatever else. I'd like to step up in the converter game, and preamps, too. Wouldn't it be nice if usb3 was the focus for I/O vs usb2. Firewire still seems viable. PCI always seemed the best path, and I wish that Aardvark hadn't gone out of business (or now my price range with the Zen Studio), as my Q10 sounded superb.
 
I'm open to pointers... this will be my 3rd I/O (tho I did get to try a Layla for a month in 2001)
Michael
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