guitarmikeh


I just stumbled on this thread because I'm interested in VEPro. I have no clue about the program but to answer your question about the text format.
If  your using Firefox to browse  and reply in this forum, that's the problem. Try using a different browser. Chrome seems to work. 

Good luck

THANK YOU! 
 
IE is working - I have no idea why Firerfox is causing that problem
 
Mike
 

OK - I am re-posting this to Steve Corey - it's easier to read and reply to:

Steve, All your suggestion worked for me! YOU should write the manual for VE Pro! A few questions (and then on to MIR). First, let me say that the way I have been adding instruments in Sonar is by creating an audio track, then inserting a vst instrument into the FX bin, then, create a midi track and route the output to the VST instrument. I know you can do it by going to "insert" on the Sonar toolbar, then select softsynth and then pick your instrument or effect. I just haven't done it that way because I learned the other way first and stuck to it. Should I change that?
1. I am running Windows 7-64 bit so I am assuming I should be opening VEP(64) and VEP server (64) as well, right?

2. In the mixer Interface in VEP the new instrument I added shows up as a new channel but has no Panning icon/control like the master channel has. Should it have that?

3. Do I now have to open a new instances of VEP for every in every audio track FX bin for every new instrument I want to add in Sonar? Or, is there a way to open everything in VEP and just route to the approriate channel in Sonar? When I experiemented with the "send" tab at the top of a second channel in VEP I couldn't get a new added instrument to play. That's why I am wondering about the routing.

4. In the area in VEP where it says "pan" on the master channel, it says "Vienna MIR Pro" on my added instrument channel. Is that correct? I assume that is your way to MIR and I have layed with it but not gotten it to work yet.

In response to your other question: "Before I type up MIR instructions, there are two possibilities: 1. Run audio out of Sonar, into VEP and MIR, back to Sonar. 2. Send MIDI from Sonar to a Synth in VEP, run through MIR, output to Sonar. Which do you want to do?"

Honestly, I am not sure is more advantageous at this point. I will want to use a limited number of third party software if that makes a difference. I have a lot of old .gig samples (VSL and others) which I still like to use and I use a wonderful little piece of software called G-Player (64 and 32 bit) to play them - it is a vst plugin. I apologize again that is is going to look like one huge mass of text - still haven't figured out why that's happening.

Thanks,
Mike 

(on edit: I had posted this before you got the forum formatting straigtened out. Forum software. Grumble grumble.)
 
Yeah, the latest firefox doesn't work with this forum--but it's the forum software's fault, not firefox. IE, Chrome, or Firefox 3 will work properly. I'm using IE at the moment.

 
Michael C.


Steve, All your suggestion worked for me! YOU should write the manual for VE Pro! A few questions (and then on to MIR). First, let me say that the way I have been adding instruments in Sonar is by creating an audio track, then inserting a vst instrument into the FX bin, then, create a midi track and route the output to the VST instrument. I know you can do it by going to "insert" on the Sonar toolbar, then select softsynth and then pick your instrument or effect. I just haven't done it that way because I learned the other way first and stuck to it. Should I change that?
 

No need to change it if it's working for you.  I think it's a very logical way to work.

 
1. I am running Windows 7-64 bit so I am assuming I should be opening VEP(64) and VEP server (64) as well, right?
 

Right. But just to be clear, so far we've only  used VEP server (64), not the standalone VEP(64) app. And in fact, I don't think I ever use the standalone app. I always use the server.

 
2. In the mixer Interface in VEP the new instrument I added shows up as a new channel but has no Panning icon/control like the master channel has. Should it have that?
 

Yes.  Can you post a screenshot of what you've got? You need to find an image hosting site and link to it, this forum doesn't allow image posting.

 
3. Do I now have to open a new instances of VEP for every in every audio track FX bin for every new instrument I want to add in Sonar? Or, is there a way to open everything in VEP and just route to the approriate channel in Sonar? When I experiemented with the "send" tab at the top of a second channel in VEP I couldn't get a new added instrument to play. That's why I am wondering about the routing. 5. In the area in VEP where it says "pan" on the master channel, it says "Vienna MIR Pro" on my added instrument channel. Is that correct? I assume that is your way to MIR and I have layed with it but not gotten it to work yet. I'm going to stop here so ewe can proceed in small increments. Thanks, Mike
 
 

Lots of questions there, and I'm not quite sure how to tackle them without seeing what you're getting.  But generally, you only need the one instance of VEP to handle everything.  You can load it up with all your instruments and effects, as far as your hardware can handle it. Incidentally, what are your computer's CPU and RAM specs?
I also have G-Player. Do you have the old VSL Performance set? I still use a bunch of those libraries in G-Player.
 
I'm a bit short on time, and I'm not sure when I can do some decent tutorials for this.  I'd love to get some screenshots posted since that would help a lot... but I'll try to answer what I can.  If my instructions above were successful to get you at least one Vienna Instrument playing, then the next step to get MIR going is simple. In VEP, go to your instrument track and click the '+' sign on effects and choose Vienna MIR Pro->Stereo to Stereo. Then go to MIR (press F6) and choose your hall.  That should get you started.

Steve,

I will answer all your questions but first I want to tell you about a new issue that is perplexing.  I spoke with Austin at ILIO today thinking a 5 minute call could take the place of 35 posts!  He was quite good and because of your instructions I was up to speed on the basics.  A new problem has surfaced which stumped him and me.  To trouble shoot I opened the standalone version of VEP, opened an instrument, added MIR as an effect, went to MIR to select a venue, and low and behold, NO REVERB.  Nada from MIR.  We looked at every possible parameter variable, sliders, switches, check boxes, everything.  Then I had the bright idea that perhaps my audio interface latency was set too low, but I actually had it set to 128 as Vienna Imperial needs to use that as a minimum to use it few convolution reverb effects.  It was apparently not a latency issue which I was 100% sure was going to be the answer.  I then un installed the whole program because VI actually released a new version of VEP5 yesterday.  I reinstalled and it still does not work.  That may because it does not remove everything and keeps some file which save some settings so the problem just came back.  I have written to Dietz at VI about this and he basically suggested everything Austin and I already did.

My next suggestion to them was suggestions about how to remove EVERYTHING from VEP to do a real clean install.  They have not responded to that.  I have also suggested that they send me a very simple project file that can be opened in the standalone to I could see if IT works.  If so, I'd delete everything and save the file as my default empty project.  They have not responded to that either.  My absolute last resort is to run my setup disks from ADK (who I bought the computer from) and set the HDD back to its original state.  I would hate to do that for obvious reasons.

So this is where I'm stuck now.  So close it hurts, but so far because I just don;t know enough about the program to troubleshoot every possibility.  Do you have any ideas?  I need to fix this before moving on.

To answer your quesiotns about my CPU and RAM:

Intel - Core i7 2600 Processor: 3.40GHz Quad 8 meg cache w/HT (Sandy Bridge)
16GB RAM

Thanks again,

Mike

Steve, I fixed my VEP/MIR problem. The problem was the latency setting in MIR, not the latency setting in my audio interface. I ultimately set VEP/MIR to 0 latency and my audio interface (Steinberg MR 816X) to 128 and, lo and behold, REVERB!!!!!!!!!!!! I can actually set the VEP/MIR latency to ANYTHING other than 128 and it works, however, I have to keep the Steinberg set at 128. Is this normal? I'm at least happy that I got VEP running and now MIR. Steve, and am very grateful for your responses and help! Mike Coyle

Glad to help. Feel free to post any more questions you have about the Vienna stuff.

SCorey


Glad to help. Feel free to post any more questions you have about the Vienna stuff.




Steve, this will probably sound REALLY stupid, but how do you send added instrument tracks to Sonar?  I have only been experimenting with basic stuff and I just tried adding and instrument channel, so there are now two instrument channels, but I am not sure how to route the second channel in VEP.  I have been opening VEP as an effext by putting it in the FX bin of an audio track and then sending the midi track output to VEP - just like using any VST in Sonar.  However, I am stumped about how to route new instrument channels.  Would I have to point a new nidi track to the same instance of VEP? 


I am also posting a new question about MIR and Sonar, but i am going to make it a new post - totally different topic.

THanks

Mike



  

Let me see if this is kinda what you want to do:  Have a MIDI orchestration in Sonar that plays multiple instruments in VEP, and then their outputs go back to Sonar.  If that's what you want to do then...
 
From the previous instructions and from what you've posted, you've got one instrument going. You add another instrument in VEP and make sure its output is set to the VEP master buss. So maybe you have something like this:
 

 
You can see I've got a Flute and a Tuba. At the bottom you see that they are going to the Master Bus. At the top of those two tracks, you see "All All" which will be changed next to 1  1  and 1  2:
 

 
Flute is now on port 1 channel 1, Tuba is now port 1 channel 2. You just click the 'All' to get a drop-down list of the ports and channels.
 
Now back in Sonar, set your flute track output to Vienna Ensemble Pro 1 (assuming this is the 1st VEP you've inserted) and the flute channel output to 1. Set Tuba output to Vienna Ensemble Pro 1 and Channel to 2:
 

 
(this is on X1, but should be very similar to Sonar v8).  Now you should have your separate instruments available.  Add up to a total of 16 instruments in VEP and 16 tracks in Sonar. After that, there's another step to take. But first, just get these going.
 
So all the instruments in VEP get mixed down to the VEP master buss and sent to the VEP VSTi that I have there in track 3.
 
Is that what you needed? (I'll tackle your MIR question on the other thread next.)

WOW, you outdid yourself this time!  It worked like a charm.  Why can't the VSL manuals be this good?  Maybe I am just not spending enough time with the manuals, but honestly, I find them to be pretty weak.  There seems to be more talk about what the software can do and how well it can do it, but HOW to do it is often elusive!

Thanks once again!

Mike

I agree, their manuals are lacking.  It took me a while before I figured it out through a combination of their documentaion (which is like you said, more ad copy than instruction), googling and lots of trial and error.
 
Guess I need to make a video of all this stuff.