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  • Using outboard equipment for mixing and mastering
2012/05/17 17:48:07
mtgonzalez
what are some ways you can send the stereo bus or a stereo track in Sonar to a piece of outboard equipment (compressor) for mixing or mastering purposes then back into the Sonar project?
2012/05/17 17:53:45
The Maillard Reaction

This thing seems really cool:

http://www.rocketfishprod...-theater/RF-RBKIT.html



But you'll need 2 sets.
2012/05/17 18:05:48
The Maillard Reaction

A primary consideration is to determine if you are using analog or digital outboard gear.

If you are using all analog outboard gear the round trip latency is compensated for automatically by SONAR. (with the caveat that many ASIO drivers need to use the manual input in the SONAR audio options dialog)

If you are using digital effects like multi-fx or reverbs you can also compensate for their latency which is usually a minimum of 1.2ms.

SONAR has some features for that... but I don't have any digital outboard so I don't know much about it.

You may also just nudge manually.

Additionally, some aficionados of digital outboard like the latency delay and relate it to the same effect they have in live play.

It easier to mix with all the other stuff if the delay is compensated for.



A good place to start is too patch up a loop and then do a round trip ping test to judge your system latency and correction and then you go from there.


best regards,
mike

2012/05/17 18:23:21
mtgonzalez
I think I need to clarify what I'm trying to do. I record a song with 10 tracks > bounce to a stereo mix > somehow send that stereo mix to my tube pro channel pre-amp/compressor/eq and make corrective adjustments > then back to my daw so that I can record corrective adjustments as a separate stereo track. I guess i'm trying to learn how to add outboard gear to the per-production phase
2012/05/17 22:53:17
AT
If your tube pro channel is stereo and has line inputs you can simply "mix" through it or master through it.  Send the mixed stereo (it doesn't matter if it is a 10 track mix or a bounced stereo track) output through your interface to the said tube thing.  Patch a pair of cables from the tube thing ouput back into your interface and record that signal just like any.   

If you are mixing through it, you may have to alter your mix when you hear the tube thing on it.  If you are sending a bounced master file through it that is less likely but might happen.

If your tube thing is mono, things get a lot harder and less stable, since you are trying to balance a mix a channel at a time.
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2012/05/17 23:04:33
bandontherun19
Outboard equipment is ok? But I like rowing and paddling.
2012/05/18 14:02:31
mtgonzalez
AT - thanks for your post, perhaphs you can look at the back of the gear I running and see if what you discribed would work

Audio Interface


ProChannel Tube thing


and for giggles, my mixer



Currently I have a the ProChannel on Mixer Ch 8 which is link to Ch 8 on the audio interface. I use ch 8 for vocals
2012/05/18 14:24:06
The Maillard Reaction
You can for example;

Take a cable from Out 3, and Out 4 and send that to some stereo device.

Take the stuff you want to send in SONAR to the Pro Channel tube thing (you'll need 2 Pro Channel tube things) and either select the output as stereo Out 3 / Out 4, or you can add Sends and assign them to Stereo Out 3 / Out 4. (If you only have one Pro Channel it's gonna be a lot more work to use it on a stereo source that you want to keep stereo. I guess you'd have to take multiple passes and choose mono outputs.)


In general. you will take the stereo output from the outboard device and connect it's outputs to 2 inputs on the Audio interface and record them while you play back the project just like it is an overdub.


best regards,
mike


2012/05/21 18:08:31
mtgonzalez
Just picked up an Alesis 3632 Dual Ch Compressor. Looking forward to hooking it up and doing some mixes

2012/05/21 22:39:26
The Maillard Reaction

Cool!

That should be a lot of fun and experimentation.

I hope you enjoy.

best regards,
mike
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