2014/12/15 18:28:37
michaelhanson
Kenny, that little amp looks like it is using the same tube combo as the Blackstar.
2014/12/15 18:34:21
michaelhanson
The other options I have been looking into are just to improve the tone a little as well. The tube store has a new
Preferred Series 7025 / 12AX7, that folks are liking better than the JJ's that I got in V1 and V2. I could also try some earlier break up EL84s; all of these options may get me to a better, low volume tone, if combined.
2014/12/15 19:23:11
kennywtelejazz
MakeShift
Kenny, that little amp looks like it is using the same tube combo as the Blackstar.



MakeShift , 
Right now I could go and take an inventory of all the tubes that are in my 3 main amps 
the 1966 Vibrolux , The 1976 Marshall and my 1983 Super Champ  …I won't even bring in my newer Marshall or my other fender amps into the conversation ….
I guarantee that if I drove on down to the guitar center that is 10 miles from my place that I could probably find a dozen or so  Made in China amps that use many of the same tubes …
 
the amp I mentioned was only a possible recommendation , it was not like I went up to the mountain and waited for Moses to get done so I could talk to the burning bush and come here and have anybody else's answers 
I was just giving you a possible heads up on a super cool amp .
I know first hand that finding one to play out of is almost impossible ….
I have checked one out in person …to say that amp is anything like a blackstar …..
it is handmade in the USA  one at a time by the guy that designed it…it's been out maybe 10 years 
the circuit and design is all original ,  at the time this amp  came out , there was absolutely nothing on the market that could touch it  …
we all have our opinions , tone is subjective , I hope you find what you are looking for . 
Honestly , if I had the money to spend I would buy a Carr Rambler or an Emery Super Baby  problem solved 
good luck in your search .
 
Kenny
 
 
 
2014/12/15 21:20:04
michaelhanson
Kenny,

Sorry if I offended you in anyway. I did not mean to imply that the amp you suggested was anything like a Blackstar in any way. I just found it interesting that they appeared to be using the same tube configuration. If a Behringer amp uses the same tubes as a Marshall, I don't expect the quality to be the same. 😊

I am not really on some great tone quest at all. I started playing over 35 years ago and have not lost a single bit of enthusiasm for this instrument. I can't see anything changing in the next 35 years. I continue to listen, learn and play.


Bat, I wish I could afford one of those mini Marshall's, it's just not on my horizon right now. One of those lovely' would be my 1st choice. I have a boy in college, senior year; and a girl following him up in 3 years. They are both bleeding me dry....need I say more.
2014/12/15 21:58:51
batsbrew
makeshift...
 
some homework for you
 
http://www.tedweber.com/atten.htm
 
my unit
https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/masslite.htm
look at the 50 watt version....
 
 
this one has the most control, but was overkill for me
 
https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/mass.htm
 
 
i prefer these over the marshall power brake, the original scholz power soak, the THD Hotplate, the Dr Z brakelight, and in my opinion, anything that costs a dollar more than the webers is too expensive, and once you get into the higher price ranges of the elite attenuators (Rivera rock crusher, aracom, Ultimate, faustine, etc).......
you should just invest in a low watt tube recording amp (like that emery, many others to choose from)
 
but kenny hit on a good thing, 
and that's a simple Fender Champ.
 
jeff Beck used on to record most all of his guitar tracks on his last album.....
 
2014/12/15 22:13:15
kennywtelejazz
I love tube amps and I never get tired of talking about them …or playing out of them 
I'm not offended at all , when I was interested in buying the amp I mentioned  I called up the amp designer long distance and talked with him for about a half an hour ..the amp is a 1/4 watt amp and he wired up one of the tubes in a non conventional way …don't quote me on this , it has been a few years , i think he mentioned splitting one of the tubes and only using part of it in the circuit ….some how he got it to MAX out at a 1 /4 watt  where it performs optimally at conversation levels …
any way the mini Marshall sounds like a good choice ,
I have the Class 5 combo , I've giged with it in small clubs and I love the thing …running my SG w P 90's into that through my pedal board has given me one of the best sounds I have ever gotten …
living in an apt sucks , so I end up having to record direct …
honestly I hate it ……from an acting stand point of view I would say  it feels like being a really good actor w chops and always getting sucky roles to play 
 
have a good one MakeShift , 
 
Kenny
2014/12/15 22:31:41
michaelhanson
I think that the quest that I have been on has spanned several years now. I came to the realization that I will probably never play again in a situation where I will require anything near 50w of tube power. Lord knows, cranking it in a Church Worship service situation is not going to fly. I have been on a quest to down size and still have the tone I am used to.

Maybe 5-15w is really what I am after.....but 5w can still be VERY loud in power tube territory. 5w and the Webber, maybe what is needed. 😀

Kenny, it was several years back that I messed around some with a Marshall Class 5 and I liked it. They have discontinued them since. I have never really messed with a Champ much, but maybe I need to spend a little time with one. Are there any recommended Champs more than another model Champ? I know there are quite a few. The EC Champ is out of my budget, I'm sure.
2014/12/15 22:54:39
michaelhanson
Well, I just checked out Champs on eBay......holy crud....I guess there is a whole cult based around old vintage high priced Champs. Yikes!
2014/12/15 23:11:08
batsbrew
ceriatone makes a great clone of a champ.
 
2014/12/15 23:16:26
Grem
I had an original Power Soak. Didn't like it. But to be fair, I was using JBL K series 12" in a 2x12 cab. Not exactly the right speakers to get the sound i was after. But boy did they sound good clean!

And I was young.😊
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