2012/04/19 08:38:17
Guitarhacker
I have also noticed that many people (including myself) will use vibrato to cover up for a poor vocal performance. Learning to sing a natural straight pitch and using vibrato to augment it is the proper way to use vibrato.  Using vibrato to cover poor singing..... well that's not the way to do it. 

Kinda like we in the recording world use reverb and FX to try to cover up deficiencies in the tracks. 
2012/04/19 23:05:39
bandontherun19
It's what sounds good that's important... There are some fundamental rules about singing? And there's nothing "at all" against or wrong with using vibrato? Nothing. It's a tool, like compression, EQ, etc... And there's nothing wrong with reverb either. It's what sounds good? If it sounds good? Then it IS good. I knew a girl who used her diaphragm all the time? I miss that woman...
 
For the people who try to get me banned on a regular basis? I'm talking about singing. Now back to your normal attacks, thank you.
2012/04/24 11:48:36
julibee
I'm going to go back to the OP.... 

To be perfectly honest, Whitney was never the sort of music I wanted to sing, but was just about the ONLY pop style I COULD emulate as a teenager.  I wanted desperately to be Joan Jett (or anyone else who could wail in a chest voice) and it wasn't going to happen. 

I have a serious vibrato that most of you can attest to-- is it "natural"?  I think so.  It's what comes out of my mouth first and foremost and how I can sing most easily.  Meaning, If I allow the full-on vibrato operatic style, it's literally EASIER for me to sing.  It's my default mode.  I usually use it when learning notes, then when I've got that down, I can think about how I want to use or not use it.  I don't think, in my case, that it's a cheat, or a cover up (not being defensive, just stating).

However.... And this is years of lessons talking, years of thinking about turning it on, turning it off....  It comes from neither my vocal chords or my diaphragm.  I feel the vibrato forming at the very back of the soft palette... It's the place from which my teachers INSISTED That I pretend there was a string attached and pulling me to the ceiling.  Really.  A string running from my spine, through the back of my head and up to the sky.  She was always "pulling me up" by this imaginary string as I sang.  Sometimes she did away with the niceties of a pretend string and just grabbed a few strands of my hair and used that, instead.  Always fun in the middle of high Ab.  "Send the sound out the top of your head," she'd say, making big, circling gestures with her hands above her head, signaling to let the vibrato flow out the back, Over the top, to the ceiling.

On the other hand, "Pop" vocals to me, are the opposite. Shut it all down.  Don't let it move.  Thin it out on the soft palate. make it Airier, Breathier.  I can't tell you how people belt it all out in a chest voice.  I HAVE one, but it's very limited.  Ive found that Im always always always flat when I try to "sing big" with a chest voice.  On the other hand, I have a huge range when using the classical voice, and I'm getting better at the breathy stuff.  I've been practicing.

Whereas classical singing happens (with ME) with a completely open soft palette and throat, I really have to concentrate to make a pop vocal.  It takes so much more control and concentration for me.  And, I usually get it wrong.

A "Jaw" vibrato, I'd consider bad classical technique.  But pop music is different.  In pop, nearly anything goes.  But... you still need to use your diaphragm, and if you poke your chin into the air to "reach" the note, you are straining, and going to hurt yourself.  Keep your chin down.



Edit to add:  I don't remember ever learning how to produce a vibrato, either.  I learned how to control it, yes, but that's a different thing.
2012/04/24 19:37:48
guitartrek
Julibee - you're one of the rare singers like my wife whom vibrato came instinctively and naturally. 
2012/04/24 20:15:14
bandontherun19
Wittney was one of the best singers "ever" IMO. So therefore, her technique was irrevelavant. What is important is the result? Look at a guitarist like Django Reinhardt? The guy had like 2 fingers that worked on his left hand? But look at what he did with them... You can put his name in on youtube and hear examples. An incredible jazz guitarist from the 30s and 40s? But his technique could have been ridiculed because of the damage done to his hands in a fire as a child/young man.

There are best practices? And there are accepted standards? But there are not hard and fast "rules..." As Al Davis once said, "just win baby..."
2012/04/25 00:27:58
Philip
bandontherun19

There are best practices? And there are accepted standards? But there are not hard and fast "rules..." As Al Davis once said, "just win baby..."

+1
 
There are some awesome vocs ... some can even sing!  -- Hahahaha!
 
Egotistical singing is a complete turn-off for me, but many great songs are won that way.  Think Jethro Tull and Aqualung.  Sickening -- LOL!
 
Likewise, Emo singing in males ... not my cup -- LOL!
 
Personally, I know I've succeeded when 'the magic happens' ... the inward man resurrects new life and new joyful utterances (hopefully coherent ones) ... that is singing!
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