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2017/06/08 23:38:23
Fleer
Barry? Manilow? Is dat yoo?
2017/06/09 00:50:16
S.L.I.P.
They were a band. They didn't come in a box. Most came by car, but one of them came by bus. 
2017/06/09 02:13:00
Fleer
Def not Barry then.
2017/06/09 19:25:47
abacab
Fleer
Def not Barry then.




 

2017/06/15 02:32:55
noynekker
Using Band In a Box (yes I have it) you're only cheating yourself if you intend to create unique and original song ideas . . . if you use it to create commercial jingles and elevator musak . . . it's just business as usual.
I tried to use it as a creative tool to generate song ideas many years ago, but it never lead to anything memorable.
When I have used it to create in a jingle based business environment, well, let's just say . . . it payed for the cost of the software.
2017/06/15 02:49:18
abacab
noynekker
Using Band In a Box (yes I have it) you're only cheating yourself if you intend to create unique and original song ideas . . . if you use it to create commercial jingles and elevator musak . . . it's just business as usual.
I tried to use it as a creative tool to generate song ideas many years ago, but it never lead to anything memorable.
When I have used it to create in a jingle based business environment, well, let's just say . . . it payed for the cost of the software.




I think it is more like a mirror, and reflects who you are.  It is what you make it.  And it can be a traditional music education in a box, if you allow it ...
2017/06/15 03:03:35
noynekker
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abacab
noynekker
Using Band In a Box (yes I have it) you're only cheating yourself if you intend to create unique and original song ideas . . . if you use it to create commercial jingles and elevator musak . . . it's just business as usual.
I tried to use it as a creative tool to generate song ideas many years ago, but it never lead to anything memorable.
When I have used it to create in a jingle based business environment, well, let's just say . . . it payed for the cost of the software.




I think it is more like a mirror, and reflects who you are.  It is what you make it.  And it can be a traditional music education in a box, if you allow it ...


I won't deny it has an educational value, if that's your intention of how to use it, I'm just wondering about it's value in serious composition circles, as all the presets are based on predictable standards. I've just found it difficult to come up with anything truly original using band in the box cookie cutter patterns to start with . . . then when you try to vary them to something original, the software comes up short. Maybe, it's best at some point to move in into Cakewalk where you can play without boundaries ?
2017/06/15 03:23:09
abacab
noynekker
r
abacab
noynekker
Using Band In a Box (yes I have it) you're only cheating yourself if you intend to create unique and original song ideas . . . if you use it to create commercial jingles and elevator musak . . . it's just business as usual.
I tried to use it as a creative tool to generate song ideas many years ago, but it never lead to anything memorable.
When I have used it to create in a jingle based business environment, well, let's just say . . . it payed for the cost of the software.




I think it is more like a mirror, and reflects who you are.  It is what you make it.  And it can be a traditional music education in a box, if you allow it ...


I won't deny it has an educational value, if that's your intention of how to use it, I'm just wondering about it's value in serious composition circles, as all the presets are based on predictable standards. I've just found it difficult to come up with anything truly original using band in the box cookie cutter patterns to start with . . . then when you try to vary them to something original, the software comes up short. Maybe, it's best at some point to move in into Cakewalk where you can play without boundaries ?




I can't argue with that.  If you want to stick with traditional jazz or blues patterns, then plug in your chords and you have a backing band to groove with.
 
But if your goal is to write completely original tracks, you need to move to a new playground.  I don't think that BIAB was created to support that.
2017/06/15 17:01:19
BobF
UPDATE:
 
What a CF.  Apparently the first rep misspoke ...
 
If you only buy the software instead of upgrading (rebuying?) your current package, your upgrade paths will be FUBAR.  I've now completely unspun the '17 purchase and am staying with '16 Mega until killer sales happen. 
 
 
 
BobF
smallstonefan
Bob, 
 
Am I understanding correctly then that the Mega content I bought for 2013 would work with the new version, so just do the basic upgrade to get that latest BIAB program?




That's what the PG folks told me ... diff is I'm at 2016.  I would drop them a note just to make sure the Mega content hasn't changed.  My email to them was asking if there was a better price to go from 16 Mega to 17 Mega.
 
This is the response:
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"Hello Bob,

You do not upgrade from a Mega to a Mega, as your not getting anything new with that package other than new software. If you just want the new software then just buy the Pro. Otherwise your best options are either buying a 2017 PlusPAK or UltraPlusPAK which would give you new RealTracks along with the new software."
 
 
 




2017/06/15 18:18:42
jimfogle
Is using Band-in-a-Box in your music production cheating?  No. 
 
The word cheat is defined as "act dishonest or unfair in order to gain an advantage" and "avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill".  Using Band-in-a-Box does not match either definition.
 
Using Band-in-a-Box in your production is no different than using any other production tool.  How does using Band-in-a-Box differ from using 1) a midi pattern, 2) Kontakt as a sound module, 3) a convolution reverb using impulses recorded at Abbey Roads studio B to emulate the sound of the studio, 4) session musicians.  I could go on and on with examples.
 
How is it dishonest or unfair to use Band-in-a-Box?  How will using Band-in-a-Box help gain an advantage?
 
The magazines "Recording" has a feature where people submit recordings so the feature author can evaluate the quality of the production.  Typically the owner of the recording will list who performed what along with additional comments about what equipment and tools were used during production.  The feature author then offers production suggestions.  In this instance the song was created in a home studio by two people.  One person wrote and sang the song while the second manned the hard disc digital recorder.  Then the singer manned the recorder while the other person played guitar and flute.  The song writer was responsible for producing the song and submitting the song for consideration.  Band-in-a-Box drums, bass and pedal steel guitar were added during production and listed in the credits.  The reviewer treated the Band-in-a-Box tracks as though the tracks were live performances in his comments.
 
All recordings create audio illusions.  Band-in-a-Box is just another tool to create an illusion.
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