If you don't think it's murder it's not.
If you do think it's murder it is.
Tautology; it turns the world upside down:-)

yorolpal


If you don't think it's murder it's not.
If you do think it's murder it is.
Tautology; it turns the world upside down:-)

Touche
(or is it Tush? ala ZZTop)

Who would you be cheating anyway? The walls of your bedroom?

 I tend to agree with Batsbrew on the human element although I could maybe see a use for BB as a template as some of you have already mentioned. Guitarhacker you do really well with the method you have to work with your material. I don't think the question is, Can it sound good?Jonbouy and munmun must take a similar tack. Could you make the music sound as good without BB?
 One big concern I had was that sometimes I'll get a rhythm or a tune in my head that might not line up with a template and a template might actually destroy the idea or the feel. If I'm into a strict genre' then maybe it would suffice. I have had the same thing happen with drum loops that don't fit. To fall into BBs templates isn't necessarily bad, but I can see the tendency to fall into that system because it is easier by far than fleshing out an original backup track.

 I'm not knocking you for using it and I am ,I'm fact, considering the use of it for templates but I don't want to get lazy with it either.

 SH1 This was a personal reflection I asked for opinions on(thanks!) it has nothing to do with who is or is not around.I think we all set our own standards on what we feel comfortable with as musicians. Personally, I would pay extra for something real or better. I would  go to more trouble for quality. I'm not saying BB is a lack of quality or inferior but I am questioning how far I would be willing to accept its use in my tracks.

I had a nice lady who wrote a couple of songs that she wanted to sing Kareoke style at her church.  She didn't read a lick of music or play an instrument but she could sing in tune.  She sat next to me and I would listen to her melody and pick chords that I thought were appropriate and enter it into BIAB.   After I got the chords  and arrangement worked out, I would audition different styles to see how she like them with her song. 

She picked out a style she liked, I exported the midi to SONAR.  I then tracked real bass, real guitar, tweaked some of the drum grooves and left the keyboards alone since I'm weak on that instrument.  We tracked her vocals and I mixed down a version to cassette with and without lead vocal.

She was happy as a clam with the result and wrote me a check.  About 3 hours work.  IIRC, she came back and did another song a few months later.  I didn't feel guilty in the least.

 Wow, a pretty cool result there and a use I had not considered. I noticed the most recent BB has P&W tracks in it as well.I could see using it if I could add my  real instruments into it like that......and I like it when people write me checks too.....

Starise


......and I like it when people write me checks too.....

As does The Bouy Ltd.
(or does he?)

 Pardon I thought the Bouy was a she....as far a checks are concerned,theres money flying round' but  its going over my head...good luck to you.

Like Strike and Mods post attest...thinking of this sort of stuff as "cheating" is heading down a rabbit hole to begin with. Make music...and/or money...and don't fret over the details. Our self delusion is our best friend. If we all had to face up to just how much we all are charlatans we'd probably jump off the nearest cliff.

yorolpal


Like Strike and Mods post attest...thinking of this sort of stuff as "cheating" is heading down a rabbit hole to begin with. Make music...and/or money...and don't fret over the details. Our self delusion is our best friend. If we all had to face up to just how much we all are charlatans we'd probably jump off the nearest cliff.

Quick..... grab my hand myolpa...................................................................................................


kerplunk!