2012/04/06 22:38:20
digi2ns
Im Lovin the PodX3Live. If you take the time to learn how to get what tone you want out of all the programming in it, there isnt a tone you cant achieve. Being able to go direct into an interface and X1 and still have that huge, deep rock tone of a mic'd Marshall stack, a subtle acoustic sound, bass or even vocals-I couldnt tell the difference, not to mention Im sure the neighbors appreciate me being able to plug in some cans and not wake the dead    Just my opinion
2012/04/06 22:44:10
michaelhanson
That's funny Danny.

I work pretty close to a Guitar Center.  About once a week I will trot on over to just noodle around on a lunch hour and a half.  I will plug into various amps just to give them a spin.  I always grab a LP or a 335 off the rack so that I am playing something guitar and pick up-wise similar to my own rigs.  Inevitably, no matter what amp I plug into, I will eventually dial in a tone similar to what I dial up on my own amp.  I twist all of the gain and eq knobs around and eventually, I am playing my tone.  Its as you say, I have a tone fingerprint.

What's funny is everytime I am thinking I want to buy a new amp, I go away frustrated that what I was playing does n't sound any significantly different or better than what I have.  That  could be a good  thing I guess.  The biggest change I have noticed as I age though, I am going lower wattage.  I just don't have the need to blow out the windows any more.
2012/04/06 23:07:14
Danny Danzi
MakeShift


That's funny Danny.

I work pretty close to a Guitar Center.  About once a week I will trot on over to just noodle around on a lunch hour and a half.  I will plug into various amps just to give them a spin.  I always grab a LP or a 335 off the rack so that I am playing something guitar and pick up-wise similar to my own rigs.  Inevitably, no matter what amp I plug into, I will eventually dial in a tone similar to what I dial up on my own amp.  I twist all of the gain and eq knobs around and eventually, I am playing my tone.  Its as you say, I have a tone fingerprint.

What's funny is everytime I am thinking I want to buy a new amp, I go away frustrated that what I was playing does n't sound any significantly different or better than what I have.  That  could be a good  thing I guess.  The biggest change I have noticed as I age though, I am going lower wattage.  I just don't have the need to blow out the windows any more.

Well see that's the only other reason to maybe get a new amp if you were shopping for one. The new amps today have a beefier pre-amp section. There's really no need to crank them as loud. Most times, the old amps being loud couldn't get enough drive or sustain so the power tubes needed to cook to get that sound. Ok, there's only one way to get that sound...a super loud amp.
 
However, you can come darned close with the new amps today. Keep in mind, there's a difference between the pre amp section and the power tube section. I still prefer a 12ax7 tube front end, but I could care less about power tube output. For the high gain guitar stuff I play, power amp tubes are moot and are not needed. Now if I needed that Agus Young tone, yeah, that's glowing output tube power. But even still, you can come close enough today to where you won't kill your ears and you just turn up a bit for some feedback while raising the gain stage to compensate.
 
I have a few Mesa 90/90's here and some Rocktron Velocity power amps that I use with my tube pre-amp. I can't tell the difference between the Mesa's and the Rocktron other than I smell the tubes when the Mesa is on. The tone is nearly identical. The cool thing there is, the Rocktron power amps are modeled off of tube output power....which is a bit different than trying to model pre-amp tubes. Output tubes, they can model easy enough. Pre-amp tubes, have been way more challenging.
 
Yeah Mike, after you play for 100 years like us, that tone print in your fingers is what it is. But sure, certain amps are going to bring other elements out of us. A tranny amp may sound cool, but the harmonics of it will be different than something with a tube pre section. Which sounds better to your ears? That's the one you go with. I do lots of lead guitar type stuff. Tranny amps just don't give me that same excitement and they don't react or sound like 12ax7's. I just need that at all times and prefer that sound. One thing that makes me cringe is when a guy does pinch harms on a tranny rig...it just sounds so piercing and synthetic. Then I listen to Eddie VH do pinch harms that hit you in the chest that are so hard and thick, it almost sounds like a coughing type sound with the pinch in there. Tranny amps and modelers don't get that. The only one I know that can is Guitar Rig believe it or not. :)
 
-Danny
2012/04/06 23:22:45
Salt Panic
I agree you're going to sound like yourself no matter what you play. I personally think nothing beats a good sounding amp and a guitar. I'm not knocking those who record direct or use a POD. I play through solid state amps (some have tube pre-amps though). I think nothing beats the recorded sound of an SM57 up to the cone of a Marshall, Vox, or Fender.
2012/04/07 04:37:31
FastBikerBoy
I agree that it's far more guitarist than equipment. I've a fair smattering from a JCM600 head - Laney Linebacker (tranny) and a Session Rockette 30 plus on of the Marshall Valvestate practice amps and I always end up sounding like me. Not necessarily a good thing.

The little Rockette has one of the cleanest sounds I've ever heard very under rated amp. Clapton used one to record his August album with apparently

I also like & use the emulations on my Boss GT-6 and TBH unless I refer to track notes I can't tell what I've used when I go back to a song after some time away from it.

The only thing I don't seem to get the sound I want from are the software packages. I've used Revalver and GR and tried Amplitude too but they always sound quite 'brittle' to me but that may just be the way I set them up. Perhaps I like twiddling knobs too much.....
2012/04/07 05:07:58
Jeff Evans
I grew up with Frank Gambale in Canberra. In the 80's his brother Nunz owned a rather large Music store in Canberra called Pro Audio. (some on the forum here may remember it) Anyway Frank was as incredible then as he is now. It made no difference what guitar or amp he played through he sounded incredible and that was it! He could pick up a $100 strat and a very cheap Yamaha amp and just absolutley rage over an amazing solo.

He could do a Chick Corea electric band gig even now with a cheap guitar and it would make no difference. Of course he uses Carvin guitars now and I think a special amp that a quality boutique amp maker has made for him. And yes it sounds good but he still sounds like Frank.

http://www.carvinworld.co...nkgambalesignature.php
http://www.dvmark.it/product_detail.php?id=20

He did tell me though when he was here recently with RTF that the Carvin is the best guitar he has ever played in his life! Must be good! The DV Mark amp was not ready in time for the RTF tour but he used a Marshall. He likes Marshalls a lot too.


2012/04/07 10:33:54
maximumpower
FastBikerBoy


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The only thing I don't seem to get the sound I want from are the software packages. I've used Revalver and GR and tried Amplitude too but they always sound quite 'brittle' to me but that may just be the way I set them up. Perhaps I like twiddling knobs too much.....

To be honest, I am not a big fan of GR or Amplitube. Not that I can't get a decent sound out of them but to hear it while I play is no where near as satisfying as playing through my Carvin V3. Having said that, I do like Scuffham for some things, and for metal tones, AcmeBarGig takes the cake for me.
2012/04/07 11:07:56
ChuckC
New amps have come a long way that's for sure.... at a festival  I played the other day there was this band with a bunch of kids (I mentioned it in another post) they were playing through these little peavey vyper combos http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Vypyr75/  and playing everything from AC/DC, Van Halen, to rage against the machine and the tones were rip yer head off incredible.   I turned to my other guitarist and said "why the hell are we luggin' these freakin half stacks around?"  haha   I think eventually we are both going to migrate to 2x12 combo amps because we never do gigs without full sound where we really need excessive stage volume anymore and these little combos are more than enough for rehersals, and would probably be better for recording too.
2012/04/07 12:04:32
FastBikerBoy
I turned to my other guitarist and said "why the hell are we luggin' these freakin half stacks around?"  haha   I think eventually we are both going to migrate to 2x12 combo amps because we never do gigs without full sound where we really need excessive stage volume anymore and these little combos are more than enough for rehersals, and would probably be better for recording too.

That's why I've got myself a JCM600 and a 4 x 10. It's the best of both worlds, great sound, more than enough volume and it looks the part but without the weight of one of the bigger heads and a 4 x 12. I wouldn't go back to that back breaking experience in a hurry. Of course if I had a gang of roadies......

2012/04/07 12:56:58
maximumpower
Have any of you played through a Thiele cab with 1x12? Like the TL806 with an EV? If so, what do you think of those?
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