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  • Who is who? Guitars, Guitarists and that Signature Tone? (p.2)
2012/04/07 19:32:19
Middleman
I'm BBQn right now but when I get some time this weekend I'll go through and point out my theory. How will we know though? Is there a key for the track somewhere......
 
A few minutes later.....
Ok, meat is doing fine. Here we go.
 
Well, it's all over the place and the darn time line keeps locking up and not giving me the exact time but here are some slices I picked up.
 
Brad 0 to 43
Red 43 to 51
Albert lee right after this (kind of a strat tone)
Not sure
Don't know (might be Vince, he hangs around Pentatonic)
Brad I think jumped back in here
Don;t know
Don't know
Brent Mason @ 1:57 pretty sure about his tone. Generally the most refined.
Albert Lee right after 2:05
Vince Gill at 2:11
So much jumping around after this it's hard to tell.
 
Those are my guesses. Oh and I've been playing guitar for 34 years and country for 20 but just got into the banjo rolls and pick and finger picking over the last 2. Redd is the one with the most basic tone but purest in my opinion he's hanging out in the left speaker through most of the track. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. (Until somebody shows me I'm wrong)
2012/04/07 19:46:55
The Maillard Reaction

Hi Codamedia,

I don't have anything to go on but my ears and some fleeting moments of recognition I have as a listening enthusiast.

Please post the info you have.

all the best,
mike





2012/04/08 12:08:04
codamedia
mike_mccue


Hi Codamedia,

I don't have anything to go on but my ears and some fleeting moments of recognition I have as a listening enthusiast.

Please post the info you have.

all the best,
mike
Sure, I'll post the "blueprint" I found. When I went through the parts myself most of them make perfect sense. This info comes from the Telecaster Forum (www.tdpri.com), and it appears this list may have come from the knowledge of Brent Mason himself. The poster "Blue Water Girl" claims to have been traveling in Ireland with Brent when the final track (mix) was released. Brent dissected it right away.
 
Interesting notes that all make sense when you listen to it are as follows.
  • Brad Paizley actually pays tribute to all of the players for a very lengthly solo between 1:06 and 1:49. This is why some of the parts were confusing - they sounded like different players, but were all played by Brad.
  • Each player got 2 short solo sections except James Burton. He got 1 longer solo section.
  • Brads parts were all doubled in the mix - the soloists parts were not.
  • Everybody played the full song, and nobody knew where there parts would be used in the mix. Hence the term "cluster pluck".
Here is the Blueprint. Take it with a grain of salt. It appears to be very legit, but you never know from the internet. The Tele Forums are usually pretty civil.
 
Brad Paisley 0-43
Steve Wariner 44-50
Albert Lee 51-58
Redd Volkaert 59-1.05 (This is Brent's favorite solo)
Brad Paisley gives tribute to all 7 players 1.06-1.49
John Jorgenson 1.50-1.56
Vince Gill 1.57-2.03
Redd Volkaert 2.04-2.10
Brent Mason 2.11-2.18
James Burton 2.19-2.32
John Jorgenson 2.33-2.40
Vince Gill 2.41-2.47
Steve Wariner 2.48-2.54
Albert Lee 2.55-3.01
Brent Mason 3.02-3.11
Brent Mason and Brad Paisley together 3.12-3.18
Finale - All Play Out 3.19--------
 
I will admit - there is one part that leaves me with a question mark. A couple posts above Middleman says that REDD has the purist tone - and that is what I always remember of Redd myself. The solo credited to him (as Brents favorite) at 0:59 - 1:05 is NOT that tone. The next part credited to Redd 2:11 - 2:18 seems to have a different tone. Aside from that anomaly this list lines up really nice - in my opinion!
2012/04/08 12:19:38
Middleman
So wanted to check my score:

Brad 0 to 43  - right
Red 43 to 51 - wrong
Albert lee right after this (kind of a strat tone) right
Not sure - Would not have guessed Red. Doesn't sound like him.
Don't know (might be Vince, he hangs around Pentatonic) wrong
Brad I think jumped back in here - right
Don;t know = didn't know
Don't know - dint' know
Brent Mason @ 1:57 pretty sure about his tone. Generally the most refined. - Totally wrong
Albert Lee right after 2:05 - I would dispute this, this is the strat tone again which is Albert Lee.
Vince Gill at 2:11 - I have him and Brent backwards
So much jumping around after this it's hard to tell.

I'm not sure the recollection is accurate but if it is, I need to go back to the woodshed.
2012/04/08 12:29:33
The Maillard Reaction
That's great stuff.

Thanks for posting it.

:-)
2012/04/08 13:18:54
codamedia
Albert Lee right after 2:05 - I would dispute this, this is the strat tone again which is Albert Lee.

 
Middleman: I am really, really certain that you got that one wrong ! Those just aren't his licks, and they are "in the pocket", where Albert never sits (he always gets to the end of the song before everyone else) - LOL! Alberts tone also has a lot more air to it (listen at 2:55), where this one sounds more direct. 
 
REDD at :59 is starting to make sense to me, although I agree, the tone doesn't seem right. The guitar style has Roy Nichols stamped all over it - especially the latter section with the half-time triplets. The double stops are also much cleaner than the other players to a point where it sounds like 2 players playing harmony lines - Redd was always great at that!
2012/04/08 16:29:18
Middleman
I got a lot of them wrong if that list is to be believed. Like I said, back to the woodshed.
2012/04/08 21:59:38
codamedia
Middleman


I got a lot of them wrong if that list is to be believed. Like I said, back to the woodshed.
LOL - me too!
 
I am going to do some digging to see if there is an authoritative outline for this song. If I find one I will post it here, and/or send it to you in a PM!
 
BTW - Looks like a nice tele in your avatar. Is that a deluxe thinline? What year? 
 
2012/04/08 22:18:43
Middleman
It's a 1974 Telecaster Custom which has seen a lot of part changes over the years. Not a vintage anymore but it sounds and plays like a dream. I designed the neck pickup and Seymour Duncan built it for me. Basically two standard neck pickups built into a humbucker with a coil tap.
2012/04/08 22:36:38
codamedia
Thanks for the info Middleman. You designed the neck pickup? Love it! I have to hear this thing ... 
 
I have a 72 Tele (standard tele) in the same boat. Been through a ton of changes, but has become an incredible guitar over the years, depsite NOT being a genuine vintage anymore! I'll have to swap out my avatar to include it now that my beloved Winnipeg Jets are out of the NHL playoff picture - LOL!
 
EDIT: Here are a couple of links of interest.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6BJ2E8eKww
The song on You Tube - with the players names posted for each part. Makes it easy to stop thinking and associate the names with the playing.
 
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-discussion-forum/125161-brad-paisley-all-star-tele-players-track-cluster-pluck-itunes.html
This is the thread on the Telecaster forum that I got my info from. If you read the thread top to bottom you can judge for yourself how legit the info is, but to me it looks pretty honest and convincing - and also indicates the "blueprint of who is who" is actually from Brent himself. Blue Water Girl is the poster with the answers.
 
 (NOTE: Digging into the telecaster forums deeper indicates that Blue Water Girl is indeed Brent Masons wife - and if that is the case, then this info would be definitive)
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