bapu
I think that guys process was flawed.
 
I just did an null test of the chorus of my Streets of Juarez and they def do not null. I'll be posting my results later once I absolutely make sure my process is not flawed in any way.
 
My first thought is the pan laws may not be the same.

 
As you know Ed , I'm a big fan of Mixbus
 
I kind of wanted to see a Video on what he did in both programs to have arrived at his mix in the first place
What did he do ? Did he sit there and go OK I'm gonna set my levels the same for all tracks in one program and then copy all the settings one by one over to the other DAW ?
I can certainly understand if it can null w out touching the effects in either program and just going with levels and pan laws ....I'm OK with that ...
The thing is that is not even Mixing ..it appears to only be an A B test which is fine for putting another side of the info out there on u tube ...
 
Kenny
 
 

Hello Timothy! , you are welcome 
 

Soundwise
Thanks for the vid, Kenny. It shows that all the hype about MB summing is a snake oil. Yes, it sounds a hair deeper, but you can easily use a plugin on your summing bus that adds slight depth and warmth, like BT Analog TrackBox that ships with SPlat or nay third party. I figured, PM Retro EQ just engaged and not tweaked serves as a great summing device, adding depth, warmth and texture.

Hi Alisa ,
 
I'm happy you enjoyed the vid
I have been learning my way around Reaper lately and that's how I knew of that vid .
I can't say I  know of anyone that would use Mixbus only just to summ tracks w out using Mixbus's on-board effects combined with some of Mixbus's other options ..
IMO, every DAW that I own has some sort of snake oil PR type of thing going on ...advertising maybe ?
I know for a fact that you got Chops girl ,
I'm sure if you wanted to you could probably take any number of the other DAW's you have and with your skills be able to level the playing field Mixwise  between all of them 
 
 
Here is a perfect example of what I would like to do in SONAR while using Mixbus at the same time ...
 


 
I'm not sure if SONAR has this type of routing available yet ...if SONAR does have this routing

Can somebody here please explain to me how to approach doing this while using SONAR
 
all the best,
 
Kenny

Excellent video Kenny.

Hhhmmmm , now this is getting very interesting . Yes, I actually answered my own questions ...
ReRoute according to the CockosWiki is supposed to be available for use in other DAW's once installed ..
As long as ReRoute doesn't mess w  my audio drivers  I may be able to run a SONAR project into Mixbus and send back my processed Mixbus audio in real time with out having to export my SONAR project as stems first .. 
 
Oh Yeah , Life is Good
 
that is if it works
 
Kenny
 

So Mixbus *could* be a plugin to SONAR.

ReaRoute is installed on mt DAW but in SONAR Preferences->Devices they are unchecked and greyed out (can't check them).
 
Maybe RME and ReaRoute don't know how to play nice together?

I've got to check SONAR and what pan law I'm using (I assume the default).
 
Here is a post from Ben at Harrison from 2014 about Harrison's pan law.
 
"Our design docs for Mixbus specify an "equal power panning law, -6dB in the center for the mono inputs". Funnily enough, we changed our mind at some point and made it 3dB."

There could still be some problems with that video.
 
The best test is to get the original multis that have been recorded somewhere totally else e.g. the Roland session that I have.  All mono tracks. They should be imported into Mixbus and the other DAW of interest. No stem summing thanks from either of them. That could be making it ambiguous. 
 
The same mix needs to set on both DAW's and just one final mix stereo stem exported. Pan laws can be matched. Only L R and C panning applied and tracks faders set to whole numbers of db levels. No effects applied anywhere.
 
Also the A/B comparison of the final mixes should be done in a Third DAW or program as well not either of them.
 
The fact that the rise times of transients alone between Mixbus and other DAW's may be different should be enough to not create a perfect null. Thanks Bapu too for the pan law info. Studio One uses 3 dB as well so that solves that issue pretty nicely.
 
I will use part of the Roland sessions that I have. I am sure after this much time passing it will be fine.  I also remembered too I have an excellent multitrack drum session of my son doing a Cirque De Soleil audition. The music can easily be removed and just the drums left behind. Drums alone may emphasise the transient differences. 
 
I obviously need to do this. I am just flat out right now and cannot do it immediately that is all.
 
But hey if a perfect null does result I am very happy to agree then there is no difference but I suspect I won't get a perfect null.

bapu
So Mixbus *could* be a plugin to SONAR.

In Theory ...that's what I'm hoping for
 

bapu
ReaRoute is installed on mt DAW but in SONAR Preferences->Devices they are unchecked and greyed out (can't check them).
 
Maybe RME and ReaRoute don't know how to play nice together?

 
Same deal here with my SONAR ....ReaRoute shows up in my SONAR preferences and I can't seem to check them 
even after unchecking my Focusrite 2i4 ....
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And now for some good news
 
Using Reaper and Mixbus 4 I got it to work just like the fella did in the second video I posted   
 
YES  YES YES YES YES YES YES it certainly works 
 
Over here on my end , I must admit that I had to follow the video step for step for about 45 mins ...
I kept having to double check and constantly recheck each and every stage of the routing on my Reaper project into my Mixbus 4 project ...
This type of software routing between musical applications is something I need to get better at .
 
I am very happy that I was able to create a mini song project in Reaper and that I was able to use Mixbus 4 as if it was a plug just like in the video ...
WOW my head is certainly Blown ....
 
 
 
Kenny
 

SONAR can only use one ASIO driver at a time.  You can't have two different drivers active at the same time.  So there is no way to do what he's doing in the video.  I believe you have to disable your sound card's ASIO drivers to enable the ReaRoute drivers.
 
Seems like Cakewalk should have worked on this part of the SONAR engine, you should be able to have as many different drivers (and driver types) all at the same time.  But it doesn't work that way.