kennywtelejazz
 
check your snail mail you know I'm kidding right?
Kenny ...

I'll be checking my mailbox every day, until ... ??? 

kennywtelejazz


 It ain't cheating any more than nicking all of Bach's playing and putting it in a plug is ....is It?

Funny that you brought up Bach, besides the fact that dude, Steve Duda, used him in Cthulhu. 
 
It reminded me of my community college library back in the 70's, where they had a music room where you could listen to albums and check them out, etc.  They even had record players with stereo headphones, and bean bag chairs.  Yup, I got a lot of studying done there, right! 
 
I discovered this crazy new record called "Switched on Bach", by Walter Carlos, performed on the Moog synthesizer.
 
I listened to it over and over.  That rocked my world!  I think I was hooked on synthesizers at that moment, although it was another 10 years before I could afford one of my own (not a Moog, but it was still fun).
 
Bach rocked, for sure!!! 

He still does. No one ever came close.

ZincTrumpet
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abacab
 
Enjoyed that video! 
 
Especially that part where Steve described working in phone support at Avid, and then getting hired away by Nine Inch Nails, LOL!!!  Decisions, decisions... should I continue working in a cube in an office, or go to work making sounds for a band??? 
 
 
I may grab the demo of Cthulhu and give it a try, at least for experimenting with chording. But since it is a plugin, it is only going to work on one track, so I will still need something else.

 
Yes, it must have been a hard call 
 
That's true about Cthulu but often you can "steal" parts of the chords for other purposes e.g. the lowest note for bass, or reduced chords shifted an octave up/down for strings/pads etc 
 

abacab


And I really like Tonespace, that will be another great tool for exploring chords and scales.
 
A lot of the other MIDI tools are standalone programs for a reason.  VST plugin design limits a plugin to interacting with one track, rather than the entire arrangement.
 
For example, that is why Liquid Notes uses a virtual MIDI cable to connect with your DAW.  That way it can support a multi-track MIDI arrangement and can keep all the parts aligned harmonically as you adjust the chords in the LN program.
 
As far as the other tools I am testing go, I really like the UI of Cubase 9 Elements, and the Chord Track with Circle of Fifths built-in is easy and logical to work with.  But I am also testing the demos of Waveform and RapidComposer. 

 
I do still need to install Liquid Notes and investigate! I'm not against standalone programs per se it's just how easily their workflow integrates with a DAW e.g. BIAB is standalone but integration with DAW is simple via MIDI/WAV files or even as a plugin. I found AutoTheory too much of a faff to be bothered with it compared to Cthulu. 
 
Still not bitten the bullet with Cubase as I'm also now looking at Waveform! Is it possible to have too many DAWs?
 

abacab
I think that Waveform actually may have a better creative MIDI tool than Cubase, due to the pattern generator, but the UI is non-standard for Windows and takes a little getting used to.
 
Same with RapidComposer.  It seems capable of some of the same MIDI tricks that Waveform has, but the UI is a little more dated and even weirder than Waveform.
 
I'll just keep plugging away at these until I figure out what works best foe me! 

Same here! 
 
When I tried RapidComposer a while back I found the UI too complicated and couldn't get on with it.
 
I have the demo of T7 installed and quite like the everything on one screen approach, but the videos of Waveform that Kenny posted have really got me interested (thanks K).  Thanks also Fleer for dropping Reason into the equation - gotta be worth checking out  (these forums can get expensive, lol).
 
I already use EZKeys a lot for it's nice circle of fifths chord input and browser MIDI and usually compare the results with BIAB and go with whichever sounds the more natural or sits nicest in the mix. I am hoping ToonTrack take EZKeys to the next level in future with something along the lines of the Waveform tools.
 
Have fun exploring all the options, I know I will 

Just typed a big reply here and now it's gone!  Now I know what Larry means!
Retyping now in Word so that I have a backup...grrrr

ZincTrumpet
 
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abacab


Enjoyed that video! 
 
Especially that part where Steve described working in phone support at Avid, and then getting hired away by Nine Inch Nails, LOL!!!  Decisions, decisions... should I continue working in a cube in an office, or go to work making sounds for a band???
 
I may grab the demo of Cthulhu and give it a try, at least for experimenting with chording. But since it is a plugin, it is only going to work on one track, so I will still need something else.
 

 
Second attempt at posting this.....apologies if both appear at some point...
 
Tough decision for Steve, NOT 
 
It’s true that Cthulu only works on single track chords but you can always use that to create other tracks e.g. lowest note for a bass track, revised chords for strings etc.
 
 
 

abacab
 
And I really like Tonespace, that will be another great tool for exploring chords and scales.
 
A lot of the other MIDI tools are standalone programs for a reason.  VST plugin design limits a plugin to interacting with one track, rather than the entire arrangement.
 
For example, that is why Liquid Notes uses a virtual MIDI cable to connect with your DAW.  That way it can support a multi-track MIDI arrangement and can keep all the parts aligned harmonically as you adjust the chords in the LN program.
 
 

 
I don’t have anything against programs that are standalone per se, I just found AutoTheory a pain to work with so ended up not using it.
 
I really must install Liquid Notes and try it out as I have owned it since Christmas!
 

abacab
 
As far as the other tools I am testing go, I really like the UI of Cubase 9 Elements, and the Chord Track with Circle of Fifths built-in is easy and logical to work with.  But I am also testing the demos of Waveform and RapidComposer.
 
I think that Waveform actually may have a better creative MIDI tool than Cubase, due to the pattern generator, but the UI is non-standard for Windows and takes a little getting used to.
 
Same with RapidComposer.  It seems capable of some of the same MIDI tricks that Waveform has, but the UI is a little more dated and even weirder than Waveform.
 
I'll just keep plugging away at these until I figure out what works best foe me! 
 

 
Same here!
 
I haven’t pulled the trigger yet on Cubase as I am now considering Waveform! I already have the T7 demo installed and like the all in one screen approach but the videos that Kenny posted have me very interested (thanks, K). Thanks also Fleer for throwing Reason into the melting pot. These forums can get expensive but can you have too many DAWs? 
 
I tried RC a while back and couldn’t get on with the UI.
 
Have fun exploring all the options; I know I will 

By the way, I found another iPad app which is also available on Mac (not tried that version as I don't have a Mac).
 
It's called Suggester and is pretty impressive with suggested chord progressions and even built-in progressions to experiment with ...


http://www.mathieurouthier.com/suggester_ios/ 
 
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/suggester-chords-that-work-together/id504740787?mt=8 
 
Excellent if you have an iPad/Mac. Full unlock for the iPad version is $6.99.
 
 
 

As much as I like the sound of all the tools mentioned above I am not even going to bother to look into them... I might begin to create something interesting, and that would never do.......

BobF
I really wish TT would do an EZBass 

While we are waiting for this tool from TT, Ample Sound has announced Bass riffer, built right into their top-notch bass instruments.

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BobF
I really wish TT would do an EZBass 

While we are waiting for this tool from TT, Ample Sound has announced Bass riffer, built right into their top-notch bass instruments.

And it's a lu lu....LOVE these basses and instruments...