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2013/12/31 12:33:59
mixmkr
Will be eager to hear impressions after a couple of hours.
2013/12/31 12:50:36
smallstonefan
Thanks everyone! :)
 
Mike, I'm giving them a workout today as you said. Also, my buddy is coming over to hang out tonight (New Years and all). If they don't measure up I'll take them back and try something else.
 
I spent just a LITTLE time with a mix we were working on and - as you would expect - it's COMPLETELY different. Looking forward to remixing this afternoon and seeing how it sounds. The clarity in the sound field of these is amazing compared to what I was using. I just need to make sure I'm not buying into hype or just the fact they are different.
 
I'll post again when I have some time on them!
2013/12/31 20:57:39
lawajava
James -
 
Thanks for the posts on this.  I'm even more motivated now to upgrade my monitors.  I'm saving for a pair of KRK VXT8s which is around the original price range you gave.  It's going to take me a while to set aside the funds so I'm monitoring the dialogs on monitors.
2014/01/01 04:47:52
Kev999
lawajava
...I'm saving for a pair of KRK VXT8s...



Alternatively you could get VXT6s and add a sub later.
 
I haven't tried the 8s but I've heard reports that they don't sound as good in the upper midrange as the 6s.
2014/01/01 08:55:26
joel77
 
Hi James,
 
If you find you're not happy with the F7s, check out Equator. I have their D5s and am very happy. I have no idea how they compare to the Adams, but I know they sound WAY better than the Haflers that I also have.
2014/01/01 10:14:39
bitflipper
 
The F7 represents a strategic departure for ADAM, as it's the first time they overtly went for price as the overriding design directive. Which is not to say they've become Behringer, just that quality compromises weren't off the table when they decided to shoot for a low price point.
 
Unlike most of ADAM's product line, the F7s are manufactured in China (although the tweeters are hand-made in Germany). When they first started building in China, there were some complaints about mismatched pairs and DOA amplifiers. Maybe they've sorted that out now.
 
The biggest compromise is that the F7's woofer is made of paper instead of Nomex (a manmade carbon composite similar to Kevlar), making it more fragile and more prone to IM distortion and ringing. Some reviewers have described the low end as sounding "flabby" compared to the famously tight lows of ADAM's other products.
 
Of course, it's unfair to compare a company's cheapest product against its higher end. If you ever get the opportunity to hear high-end ADAMs - the ones that cost as much as a car - do so with the foreknowledge that you will never be happy with your own monitors ever again.
2014/01/01 17:35:38
smallstonefan
Hi bitflipper,
 
There is definitely a trade-off of quality to dollars here for me. While I can justify $2000 for a guitar (or a LOT more for a vintage strat) I can't justify a huge expense in monitors. I noticed the $1000 budget is a weird amount - it seems that most things are either in the $600-$800 range or $1400 on up. While I liked the X series from Adam, my abused ears couldn't hear an $800 difference.
 
I did some mixing yesterday and some critical listening as well and these monitors just make me smile. We compared them to all they had at GC and I liked nothing more in the store (other than the pricier Adams) and I think my purchase has been justified. I'm stunned at what I am hearing even from Pandora streaming.
 
These speakers provide a number of things I was missing before. First, I now have real low end, and not something the Arc had to force for me. Bass lines are very distinct, and nothing ever gets tubby. If I crank up some new or old school reggae, they are happy to get thumping while staying very clear. The highs are AMAZING. Silky smooth and defined. I'm hearing reverb in songs that I've listened to for years and never noticed before and loving comparing hi hats across different reference songs as I can hear them so well. Mixes are staying consistent throughout volume changes in the monitors - that was a big problem with the Truths and things would come and go in the mix depending on listening volume. Finally, everything is present and clearly defined in it's sonic and 3d space. When I listed to the KRKs, some frequencies seemed to "sit back" while others moved forward. The Adams seem to place everything where I would expect them.
 
So, while I'm sure they're not perfect, I saved $400 off my budget (thanks in part to the $200 sale) and got something light years beyond what I was using.
 
I'm a happy camper here in 7 degree weather in Nebraska! :)
 
If the honeymoon fades, I'll be sure to post a follow-up and check out some of the other brands you all mentioned such as Equator.
2014/01/01 20:40:02
bitflipper
I think you made a good choice and you'll enjoy those speakers a lot. Take that $800 you saved and invest it in acoustic treatments, and you'll be in sonic nirvana.
 
And yup, I know about Nebraska winters, having spent my teenage years just down the road from you in Plattsmouth.
2014/01/01 21:15:59
smallstonefan
Wow, just down the road indeed! My offices are on 73/75 just about a half mile north of Cornhusker in Bellevue. You were literally about 12 minutes down the road...
 
Hope you are someplace warm. It's pretty nasty here at the moment.
 
Good time to stay inside and record! :)
2014/01/01 22:06:14
TremoJem
Geez...I am jealous. I had a budget too...when I went and auditioned monitors, but did not have that much money to spend.
 
I auditioned KRK, Yamaha, JBL and Mackie... I almost remember there being one more contender in the same price range as the aforementioned, but can't remember.
 
I took one of my favorite CD's, of which I had selected three tracks that I know forwards and backwards and have listened to on many different systems, including an audiophile system.
 
My Brother and good friend, whom went with me, my friend already in possession of a set of Mackie MR8mrkIII by the way, all agreed on the Mackie MR5mrkIII, but did discuss the JBLs heavily before deciding.
 
I truly wish I had another budget to upgrade...or, is it all the hype (for me, not anyone else, as I know better speakers exist...I mean come on). I have treated my room and am very happy for now...I guess I am just buying into the hype, as I am not a professional, I don't have expensive gear, and I am just learning, so what I have now is beyond my skill level, so to appreciate more than what I have, I need to put the work in first. There...I talked myself out of a corner and feel better...whew.
 
Let me be clear that "in my unprofessional opinion" a professional studio with professional gear would be closer to $50K and up. I have almost $11K into my studio, not including any instruments, just mics, cables, SW, audio interfaces, PCs, monitors, stands, EXT HDs, UPSs,  midi keyboard controller, etc. etc. etc.
 
Enjoy your new speakers Brother you deserve it!
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