2017/04/18 02:06:59
Beepster
I'm fairly certain that I'm at least a touch more smarterer than my "on paper" education would suggest.
 
But I got booted out of school at 15 and went straight to work so yeah... that ain't sayin' much. lol
 
I was a... troubled child.
2017/04/18 02:50:10
craigb
 

 
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2017/04/18 07:32:06
jamesg1213
I have a degree in Graphic Design, which helps me no end in my current career as a gardener.
2017/04/18 12:15:35
Mesh
On the plus side, it's 72 degrees here.
2017/04/19 18:35:11
eph221
craigb
I only have one certification, in Accelerated Learning of all things.  I don't know how many IT interviews I had to sit through where the candidate had degrees and certs but didn't know anything actually useful in a programming shop.
 
We had one programming manager get hired (somehow) who was determined to ONLY have people with degrees on her staff.  Little did she know that her FIVE best programmers were all without degrees.  She replaced one and was about to replace the rest when a bunch of people complained and SHE was let go.




Craig, it's a confederacy of idiots here.  I've never met so many incompetent people.  And there's people dying of all these bizarre genetic diseases.  It's a real freak show.  And I used to live in Sarasota, the winter home of the ringling circus.  I wouldn't call any of the circus people incompetent.
2017/04/19 18:52:28
bapu
FWIW I don't have a degree or any certifications. I've only attended one UCLA Night Course IT related and after 3 of the 12 sessions I already knew all there was to know to do my job. Those wwere before the days of "free" training on the intertubeznetz.
 
I "grew up" in programming in 1977-1978 with mostly self-taught OJT and have been programming (or is it hacking?) almost non-stop ever since (except for that three year stretch in 2011-2014 and even then I was doing some coding/spec work). 
 
2017/04/19 18:54:03
bapu
BTW, the "test" declared I have a BS degree.
 
There's sum trooth too dat then, huh?
2017/04/19 19:17:07
craigb
We all know what BS stands for.  MS is just More of the Same and a PhD is simply Piled Higher and Deeper. 
2017/04/19 19:19:23
bapu
I can see Medical Degrees and Legal Degrees.
 
Isn't the rest just "training".
2017/04/19 19:45:14
BobF
bapu
I can see Medical Degrees and Legal Degrees.
 
Isn't the rest just "training".




There are definitely places where degrees matter.  For example, EE and CS degrees make a lot of sense for folks that are designing CPUs, programming languages and such.  OTOH, a CS degree does NOT make someone qualified to be a programmer - or any other role in the app dev cycle.
 
Another example would be something life wildlife biology.  A degree certainly helps somebody figger out wildlife habitat requirements and such, but the degree isn't necessary for people implementing practices designed by somebody that has the degree.
 
The ONLY reason degrees are required to the extent they are today is that more and more people have them.  IOW, employers require degrees because they can.  Just another data point to thin the herd of applicants.
 
Somebody mentioned Graphics Design.  I can see where a degree, or a very lengthy and detailed course of study would be a huge benefit for Graphic Designers.  Same for Marketing types.  There is a lot of fuzzy knowledge required to be the best at getting people to use their plastic.
 
Any of the arts are served well with degree programs.  Big difference for trades and technical though.  They don't need to figger out WHAT to do, they need to know HOW to do it.
 
The numbers of lousy administrators and managers tells us how well served those particular roles are served by the secondary education system.
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