I was curious about the S1 thingy, so I installed the freebie S1 3 Prime.
 
It's kind of crippled, can't load VST's, and has none of the arranger & scratchpad features.
 
But it does open GM MIDI files up with a decent GM sound set if desired.
 
And I did discover one thing that is cool.  If I have a MIDI clip for drums and the kit pieces are all in the same track, S1 can split the pitches to separate tracks if I want to separate them.  Just Right-click on the clip and "Explode Pitches to Tracks".  Not sure this would be any benefit to a grand piano part, but with percussion it might be useful! 

Prime (and Artist) are a pretty poor representation of Studio One. It would be the same as testing the most basic version of Sonar and thinking hey this is not very good either.
 
Scratchpads are cool because they all (and you can have many) start at bar 1. Switching between them is fast so playing the various arrangements of the same song is quick.  The mix stays the same for all of them but the arrangements can change. Recently I had to produce a children's CD and there were several different arrangements of the same song. They really came in handy.
 
Once you define the arrangements sections in the primary song using the arrange ruler, you can just drag any parts of that primary arrangement out over to a scratchpad and all the tracks associated with that section get instantly copied into the new scratchpad.
 
Studio One already has ripple editing.  It is a bit of a hidden feature though. Good for voice over editing. 

I wasn't trying to bash S1, on the contrary, I was attempting to point out the positive features that I found in Prime.  The Presence XT sampler comes with a good sound set.  So this is a good MIDI workstation as bare bones as it seems!

I'd like to see a thread about Sonar survive for any length of time on the SO3 forums.

mudgel
I'd like to see a thread about Sonar survive for any length of time on the SO3 forums.

I'd like to think  a company like Presonus would be interested in knowing what things their customers like and don't like about their product. Companies pay good money for market research like that.
 
There is no perfect DAW. We all agree about that. They all have things that need improvement. And those closest to the product may have the most difficult time seeing the obvious things.

cparmerlee

mudgel
I'd like to see a thread about Sonar survive for any length of time on the SO3 forums.

I'd like to think  a company like Presonus would be interested in knowing what things their customers like and don't like about their product. Companies pay good money for market research like that.
 
There is no perfect DAW. We all agree about that. They all have things that need improvement. And those closest to the product may have the most difficult time seeing the obvious things.

I believe Mike was referring more to Presonus' stricter policing of their forums as compared to Cakewalk's.  And if so, I would have to agree.
 
I'm a regular at Presonus' forums as well, and I have seen posts/threads deleted when they were too critical of their products (the VSL line driver debacle comes to mind).  I can't remember ever seeing an open discussion of other DAWs there. 
 
But then again, that's true of most forums.  It's generally considered "bad form" to go on a dev's forum and complain a lot about their products, or conversely, praise those of a competitor.
 
The CW user forums are refreshingly open-minded in that regard.  In fact, no one gets beat up here more than Cakewalk .  And (as shown by this thread) they are perfectly fine with open discussions about the competition. 
 
But don't just take my word for it.  Start a thread about Sonar or Cubase at the Presonus forums and let's see what happens.  If you do, please come back and post a link.  It might actually be kinda fun to watch.

 
I agree that Cakewalk has been great too allowing this thread to on on as long as it has.  But I agree with Craig as he said quite a while ago it is sort of pointless too and really people should not even bother starting them.
 
The main problem as I see it is that you get users of one program who have many many hours (thousands) of experience with their program suddenly trying to evaluate a program they basically know nothing about.  They have only made a very superficial look into it and they start bagging it because they think it can’t do this and that when in fact it is way deeper and can do most things.  They will just never have the depth of knowledge that a seasoned user with many thousands of hours of experience has on the other program.
 
Look at it the other way.  A Studio One user trying to evaluate Sonar Platinum say over on the Presonus forums and saying how bad it is and it basically cannot do anything that Studio One can do.  I am sure some Sonar users might feel like defending it too and try to set them straight and rightly so as well.
 
But in some ways that has not happened over there because I think they know that would not be very constructive.  Not many Studio One users use Sonar as a second DAW either for some reason.  I do respect the Studio One users here who do use it as they at least have some idea and a decent idea at that.  Still not as much as a seasoned Studio One user though.  Interesting that only a few of them are here in this thread.
 
Rather than look at the bad things about the program they are trying to evaluate, instead look at the good stuff their current program cannot do and the other program can. Some are doing that here. I certainly appreciate the stuff that Sonar can do that Studio One cannot that is for sure.
 
It's all a bit boring in the end. It is like my chisel is better than your chisel! I am more interested in what people are doing with their chisels!
 

JonD

cparmerlee

mudgel
I'd like to see a thread about Sonar survive for any length of time on the SO3 forums.

I'd like to think  a company like Presonus would be interested in knowing what things their customers like and don't like about their product. Companies pay good money for market research like that.
 
There is no perfect DAW. We all agree about that. They all have things that need improvement. And those closest to the product may have the most difficult time seeing the obvious things.

I believe Mike was referring more to Presonus' stricter policing of their forums as compared to Cakewalk's.  And if so, I would have to agree.
 
I'm a regular at Presonus' forums as well, and I have seen posts/threads deleted when they were too critical of their products (the VSL line driver debacle comes to mind).  I can't remember ever seeing an open discussion of other DAWs there. 
 
But then again, that's true of most forums.  It's generally considered "bad form" to go on a dev's forum and complain a lot about their products, or conversely, praise those of a competitor.
 
The CW user forums are refreshingly open-minded in that regard.  In fact, no one gets beat up here more than Cakewalk .  And (as shown by this thread) they are perfectly fine with open discussions about the competition. 
 
But don't just take my word for it.  Start a thread about Sonar or Cubase at the Presonus forums and let's see what happens.  If you do, please come back and post a link.  It might actually be kinda fun to watch.

Probably has more to do with northeastern sensibilities. Cake's in Boston, vs other devs in California, or in PreSonus' case, Louisiana. My wife's from New York and "cards on the table" is what she likes best.
 
Regards,
Dan

JonD
The CW user forums are refreshingly open-minded in that regard. 

It is never easy to hear criticism. I have always felt that, while the DAWs might be pretty similar, the real difference with SONAR is the people. And that's the user community as well as the company. A little discussion about the real world won't hurt anybody.

JonD
The CW user forums are refreshingly open-minded in that regard. 

It is never easy to hear criticism. I have always felt that, while the DAWs might be pretty similar, the real difference with SONAR is the people. And that's the user community as well as the company. A little discussion about the real world won't hurt anybody.