ChuckC
it doesn't actually store that audio with the project.   It stores WHERE you imported the files FROM instead (my desktop) and is now looking for missing files... 

But the links are relative to the project file, correct? In other words, you can move the project file together with its MEDIA folder to some other file location, right?
 
That certainly works on songs. I have not used the mastering view.

I agree with the complaints about Sonar's export. I've been burned by that too. I export my song and shut down Sonar. I put the song in my iPhone and as I'm walking down the street I realize it only exported the bass. This has happened multiple times.

The export should select all tracks automatically and go to the last note and then add 3 or 4 sec. That should be the default and other things like individual track export or partial track export should be advanced options. This IMO would be a big workflow improvement and would get rid of a lot of frustration.

I did install the demo recently, mainly because I wanted to see if certain GUI issues that have been plaguing me for ages with Sonar were the fault of Sonar or my computer. What I was immediately impressed with was how much slicker and smoother the GUI is compared to Sonar (it turns out the Sonar GUI is just very sluggish in some areas, not my PC) and how great it felt to move around the interface and resize things. It really does feel like a new app that's been built from the ground up with fresh code. I really like the arranger track and scratchpad and I dearly hope that Sonar implements something similar in the future because the ease with which you can play with arrangements in S1 is way beyond Sonar.
 
I didn't play with it enough to get a really in depth opinion however, but one thing I didn't like was that the console strips don't seem to have a numeric peak level readout like the Sonar strips. I've come to depend on those so much in Sonar that I couldn't imagine not having them in another DAW. Maybe I'm wrong and they're there somewhere - I did look all over for some kind of option to enable them but no joy.

Chandler
I agree with the complaints about Sonar's export. I've been burned by that too. I export my song and shut down Sonar. I put the song in my iPhone and as I'm walking down the street I realize it only exported the bass. This has happened multiple times.

The export should select all tracks automatically and go to the last note and then add 3 or 4 sec. That should be the default and other things like individual track export or partial track export should be advanced options. This IMO would be a big workflow improvement and would get rid of a lot of frustration.

What's wrong with simply selecting the "What You Hear" preset in the export dialog? This does exactly what it says on the tin and sounds exactly what you're looking for. 

sharke

Chandler
I agree with the complaints about Sonar's export. I've been burned by that too. I export my song and shut down Sonar. I put the song in my iPhone and as I'm walking down the street I realize it only exported the bass. This has happened multiple times.

The export should select all tracks automatically and go to the last note and then add 3 or 4 sec. That should be the default and other things like individual track export or partial track export should be advanced options. This IMO would be a big workflow improvement and would get rid of a lot of frustration.

What's wrong with simply selecting the "What You Hear" preset in the export dialog? This does exactly what it says on the tin and sounds exactly what you're looking for. 

The problem has to do with selecting tracks and chopping off the reverb tail. The presets don't affect either of those, do they?  In other words, even if you use the "What You Hear" preset, you still have to select all the tracks and set the ruler, true?

Kylotan
 
One more thing:

cparmerlee
There seems to be no way to archive tracks. That is a really important feature IMHO.

Right-click on track, choose Disable Track. Seems to be much the same thing.
 

exactly, it's just ignorance (meant in a nice way) lack of knowledge in the program, just like the other day someone said you couldn't freeze a melodyne track to free things up and then bring it back in studio one, same thing, ignorance and lack of knowledge and time spent. i use to come across the same all the time with people saying reaper couldn't do this or that, i had used reaper for a number of years at that time, only intermittently now, but it was the same, reaper could most certainly do it, they just didn't know how. whatever you use, use it and learn it, and don't go slagging off something you haven't spent much time with, because more likely than not you just don't know how to accomplish it, not a deficiency in the program, but 'pilot error' kinda thing

Chandler
I agree with the complaints about Sonar's export. I've been burned by that too. I export my song and shut down Sonar. I put the song in my iPhone and as I'm walking down the street I realize it only exported the bass. This has happened multiple times.

The export should select all tracks automatically and go to the last note and then add 3 or 4 sec. That should be the default and other things like individual track export or partial track export should be advanced options. This IMO would be a big workflow improvement and would get rid of a lot of frustration.

This is the default if you select <none>...
 
Dan

cparmerlee

sharke

Chandler
I agree with the complaints about Sonar's export. I've been burned by that too. I export my song and shut down Sonar. I put the song in my iPhone and as I'm walking down the street I realize it only exported the bass. This has happened multiple times.

The export should select all tracks automatically and go to the last note and then add 3 or 4 sec. That should be the default and other things like individual track export or partial track export should be advanced options. This IMO would be a big workflow improvement and would get rid of a lot of frustration.

What's wrong with simply selecting the "What You Hear" preset in the export dialog? This does exactly what it says on the tin and sounds exactly what you're looking for. 

The problem has to do with selecting tracks and chopping off the reverb tail. The presets don't affect either of those, do they?  In other words, even if you use the "What You Hear" preset, you still have to select all the tracks and set the ruler, true?

False. As long as you mute or archive any tracks you do not want to hear, select <none>, then "What You Hear" will export exactly that, including reverb tails.
 
Dan
 

I think part of the problem is that people don't even look at the export presets, they struggle along with all the options and get frustrated that such a simple end result is fraught with pitfalls. For this reason I really think Cake should have a "What You Hear" button in full technicolor right on the export dialog instead of hidden away in a preset menu.

sharke
I think part of the problem is that people don't even look at the export presets, they struggle along with all the options and get frustrated that such a simple end result is fraught with pitfalls. For this reason I really think Cake should have a "What You Hear" button in full technicolor right on the export dialog instead of hidden away in a preset menu.

How 'bout confirmation dialog?
 
"Are you really, really sure you don't want to use the What You Hear preset?" [yes] [NO]