2017/04/21 16:10:46
jamesg1213
That's a hit! 3 then. Wonder if there's any more.
2017/04/21 16:22:49
quantumeffect
The intro to White Room.  Ginger was heavily influenced by Joe and the White Room intro was kind of a Morello / Bolero mashup.
2017/04/21 16:31:56
Voda La Void
quantumeffect
Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.




Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing?  I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing.  Very curious...
2017/04/21 16:36:22
Bert Guy
I love Paul Desmond's 5/4 improvisations.
 
BTW, fantastic performance and video! Thanks for posting, BF.
 
Happy Friday,
 
Bert
2017/04/21 16:45:02
quantumeffect
Voda La Void
quantumeffect
Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.




Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing?  I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing.  Very curious...


The soloing with his hands is over an ostinato where the bass drum lands on one and the hi hat plays 2 & 4.
 
So when counting in 5/4 you can establish beat 1 by listening to the bass drum.  Once you get the feel for that you can hear the hats landing on 2 & 4 with a rest on beat 5.
2017/04/21 19:44:56
quantumeffect
Voda La Void
quantumeffect
Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.




Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing?  I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing.  Very curious...


OK ... so  put a little 45 second instructional video together for you

2017/04/21 21:36:38
Jeff Evans
One of the best versions of Take 5 is on the first track of the Dave Brubeck's Greatest Hits album. It is slower and way more relaxed. And the sax and drum solos solos are also marvellous on this one too. 
 
Paul Desmond also recorded a track called Take 10 on the Skylark album much later with Jack De Johnette on drums and that is also pretty cool.
2017/04/22 04:12:43
Voda La Void
quantumeffect
Voda La Void
quantumeffect
Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.




Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing?  I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing.  Very curious...


The soloing with his hands is over an ostinato where the bass drum lands on one and the hi hat plays 2 & 4.
 
So when counting in 5/4 you can establish beat 1 by listening to the bass drum.  Once you get the feel for that you can hear the hats landing on 2 & 4 with a rest on beat 5.




No, no, I meant specifically how he was opening and closing the hi-hat out of sync with his leg going up and down. I actually watched it again here at home on my bigger monitor and I can see it's when he's playing heel down, the rest of his leg is rhythmically bouncing up and down seemingly independent of his hi-hat action.  Pretty cool.  I've just never seen anyone do that.   

Nice demo on the beat breakdown, too.  Thank you.  I've actually been working on 5/4 stuff in my practice rotation lately, so I will give this one a go.  
2017/04/22 14:05:15
quantumeffect
Voda La Void
quantumeffect
Voda La Void
quantumeffect
Just bumped an old thread of mine ... I studied with Joe for many years.




Then maybe you can tell me what in the world he is doing with his hi-hat footing?  I'm watching and that leg is not going up and down with the hi hat like a "normal" drum technique, ha ha...I can't tell from the video what he's doing with his footing.  Very curious...


The soloing with his hands is over an ostinato where the bass drum lands on one and the hi hat plays 2 & 4.
 
So when counting in 5/4 you can establish beat 1 by listening to the bass drum.  Once you get the feel for that you can hear the hats landing on 2 & 4 with a rest on beat 5.




No, no, I meant specifically how he was opening and closing the hi-hat out of sync with his leg going up and down. I actually watched it again here at home on my bigger monitor and I can see it's when he's playing heel down, the rest of his leg is rhythmically bouncing up and down seemingly independent of his hi-hat action.  Pretty cool.  I've just never seen anyone do that.   

Nice demo on the beat breakdown, too.  Thank you.  I've actually been working on 5/4 stuff in my practice rotation lately, so I will give this one a go.  


Sorry ... I misunderstood what you were asking.  I didn't set the camera up to really show my leg but it is essentially doing the same thing, just not so exaggerated, and it's really just a slight variation on the old school rocking technique.  That is the technique I learned as a child so I really don't think about it very much. 
 
If you were rocking your foot back and forth in 4/4 using a heel-toe-heel-toe pattern with your heel tapping on 1 and 3 and your toes on 2 and 4 your leg will look like a piston going up and down between the beats.  Joe adds an extra heel tap on beat 5 in 5/4.  So, the result is the knee coming up on the "& of 2", the "& of 4" and the "& of 5" ... so if you listen for the bass drum to establish 1 you will see the knee come up once ("& of 2") and then twice in rapid succession ("& of 4", "& of 5").  Joe is really bouncing his heel so the knee comes up high.  
 
 
2017/04/22 14:44:59
quantumeffect
Here is Joe much more recently (probably the late '90's) playing a more contemporary style on the hi hat.  He plays straight quarter notes throughout ...
 
You have a clear shot to see his foot bouncing but now just on the beat as he drives the toe into the pedal board of the hi hat.
 
I don't remember anything about his hi hat stand in particular but in the mid 90's he was using a bass drum pedal with a solid one piece foot board (I actually saw him use a double pedal in a small club in NJ a couple of times).
 
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