I used several Macs and several PCs alongside each other for about 20 years.
 
I'll tell you something....
 
They were all computers.

kennywtelejazz

bapu
Kenny, it's all good in the hood.
 
But, I ain't gonna go eph myself.
 
 

Its clear your a PC guy and you don't have a dog in the fight . Yet , I am asking you what gives you the right to go into a serious thread upstairs where  Cakewalk dropped the ball on the Mac port of SONAR ....
It appears to me that your participation in that thread is just to mock people that were interested in having SONAR available to them on a Mac ? 
FYI, I happen to be one of those people that would have wanted to use SONAR away from a PC ...
Would you like it if Harrison dropped the ball w Mixbus on PC and decided to put it out only for Mac ?
 
As far as you and me goes Pal ...I have tried my best to give you a wide berth and I have come to expect that you have your style and I have mine ....
If you ever decide that you want to throw down and bang w me Sport just let me know I'm Game
 
Kenny

 

Good decision of cakewalk,
let the mac crowd believe that the best DAW is Mac based.
Don´t wake up sleeping  dogs.

drewfx1

Jeff Evans
The problem here on the Sonar forum is you are getting a very one sided view of Macs.  99% of people here have been using a PC based program for a long time and they just have not come into contact with Macs at all.  So they don't really know what they are talking about.  They have just formed a biased opinion which is simply wrong and I mean wrong!

 
Translation - "You guys are all ignorant twits!". 
 
Hopefully you see my point in the lighthearted way it is intended. But the truth is we're all sick of hearing how there's something wrong with us and we just don't get how great Macs are. That's one of the reason there's so much vitriol in these kinds of discussions - many of us get it, but we just don't like the Apple approach to things. At all.
 
Realistically, there are advantages and disadvantages, both architectural and in terms of user experience, with Windows/Mac/Linux. And they each serve different functions and user bases. And they all have issues as well as advantages.
 
But for some of us, the Apple approach is too limited and frustrating and if we found Windows didn't meet our needs we would just go with a version of Linux instead. And for those don't know why I say it's limited and frustrating, it's likely because you would just never, ever do some of things that Apple hides from the user. But some of us want to bang our heads against the wall when something we want or need isn't there in order to make something seem "cleaner" or "simpler" for users at opposite end of the spectrum from us.
 
So just please stop telling us that there's something wrong with us because we don't appreciate how great Macs are. It's just different strokes for different folks.

Yep.

My Brother In Law likes to look down his nose at me and try to explain how I just don't get it when I don't want to pay the over inflated price to own a Macintosh. Same way that he drives his Mercedes SUV and asks me why I would not own a luxury vehicle instead of a Jeep Wrangler.

craigb
Hehe... Kenny thinks I have a horse! 
 

Every time I deal with you I have to put on my cowboy boots and grab a shovel So Yes of course I think you have a horse...
 
Kenny

I did not say Macs are elitist and provide the best OS or DAW's either.  People are not reading my post correctly.
I started by in fact saying that Windows all works very nicely for me. What I am tired with though is people simply saying that Macs are rubbish when in fact they are not. They are saying that because some have a single minded view that Sonar is the only and best DAW is one of those views when it is quite absurd. And translating that into only Sonar runs on Windows therefore Windows is good and Macs are no good. Even more absurd.
 
They are rather excellent in fact.  What most of you are not experiencing here is the same program that runs very well under both platforms because you have never experienced it. The idea of porting Sonar over to a Mac was rather a bit large and really not worth doing because it would have been massive exercise and it may not even have worked very well either. But for those of us that do use a program that has been written for both platforms right from the start, it does work and very well.
 
And there are programs like Logic which really are great and do run rather well on a Mac too. Logic was a Mac program originally and was only ported over to Windows for a while anyway.
 
I agree about the cost factor for Apple stuff for sure. It is overpriced. I was lucky to score an iMac for a very reasonable price, well below the normal cost and that was the main reason I went for it.
 
The secret to using it though is to persist. Like I said I found it very uncomfortable and seriously annoying for a while. Most give up at this point and right it off as bad. But if you actually take the time and put the effort in what happens is it starts to become very nice to use and actually makes more sense in many ways than Windows. Like I said now Windows feels clunky to me.  Many of the concepts that exist in Windows came before on the Mac.  In some areas Mac is superior to use.
 
Very sorry if I implied all were close minded. I meant some. Some here are very open minded to other DAW's and other OS systems too.
 
 

drewfx1
 
Translation - "You guys are all ignorant twits!". 
 

That's really not how I understood it.
 
Not ALL of the people, not by a long shot. But there are indeed some people who clearly have no clue what they are talking about - and usually they are the most agressive ones who only regurgitate slogans (Macs suck and I hate them - though I never used one).
 
Or, as seen earlier, some people with very constructive input, say, people suggesting that Mac users should be crucified - which, even if it is intended as a joke, doesn't really elevate the discussion.
 
I did take part in that thread which Jeff mentioned upstairs and it wasn't too long before a few people started regurgitating propaganda - which is just as bad whether it's anti-Mac or anti-PC. But considering that this forum is dedicated to software that mostly runs on PC, the general bias tends to be anti-Mac, and, besides a few very interesting and constructive questions and exchanges, the simple mention of a preference for Mac usually bring much irrational and derogatory content.
 
Mac or PC, whatever people want to use, really, it doesn't mean a thing to me. Unsubstantiated statements are a different thing and I feel they should be addressed.

Rain

drewfx1
 
Translation - "You guys are all ignorant twits!". 
 

That's really not how I understood it.
 
Not ALL of the people, not by a long shot.

 
Come on Rain, he said 99%. 
 
Of the other points you made, the one thing I would say is that I don't really think addressing "unsubstantiated statements" is worth the trouble if said statements are essentially just trolling.

drewfx1

Rain

drewfx1
 
Translation - "You guys are all ignorant twits!". 
 

That's really not how I understood it.
 
Not ALL of the people, not by a long shot.

 
Come on Rain, he said 99%. 
 
Of the other points you made, the one thing I would say is that I don't really think addressing "unsubstantiated statements" is worth the trouble if said statements are essentially just trolling.

I understand what you mean - I guess I interpreted the information. Essentially, I think it is true that the majority of the users either do not work with Macs or haven't used a Mac in a long times. But I don't think that the majority of them are making outrageous claims about things they do not know. The truth is that most users don't even get involved in such debates.
 
In fact, essentially, the arguments against Mac always boil down to the same few points - cost/value, performance, ecosystem, and a few other things, each of which is usually a matter of user preference. And these can be and have indeed been discussed rationally, from both perspective.
 
But then there are people who seem to suffer some kind of inferiority complex platform-wise and feel that they must not only justify the validity of their tools but invalidate everything that is regarded as competition. Even though they're a lost cause, I sometimes find it entertaining to expose the issues with their arguments - or lack thereof. Just sometimes. :P

bapu

BobF

Mesh
However, mac and cheese is totally happening
 
 

I bet that would be tasty-tasty with a pound or two of bacon.

Don't know from baon but I do nose my becan and it would be gooooooood.

My nose knows Bayonne and that is totally NOT "goooooood".