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meng
Hey Johan, if you read the posts I've contributed on this forum, there are a lot of questions that have been answered in context that would normally be considered factual.

But I agree, words are cheap, and I am fully aware you don't have any reason to trust me yet. I'm a firm believer that trust is earned, not given - I suggest you wait a little bit more and you'll see what we put into action and then you can make a decision whether we've stood by our word or not. 😊

Many of the points in the previous post by 35mm have been addressed by me in posts on this forum, it's not pure speculation.

Meng, you are truly a class act, and I admire your patience and tactfulness! 

+1000

astaub
"The sonar that you know and love - the program, as it is today and everything was connected - is clearly not profitable"
 
I do not believe that. I only believe that Lifetime was no longer profitable. It was marketing not the product itself, as well as a parent company that has over $ 200 million in debt  (not from sonar) - maybe even too much for meng, if interested in the guitars brand.

From what I have read, I think any unprofitability was down to Gibson interfering, and keeping a very tight - too tight control over things and hampering Cakewalk from doing what they do best and know most about. Gibson has been mismanaged for a long time and everything that was a part of it suffered as a result. According to at least one employee of Cakewalk, the monthly release schedule was great for Cakewalk and its customer and the trial of free lifetime updates were profitable. A lot of customers didn't get the lifetime deal - see how many users are still using 8.5 and X series, but also think how great that deal has been for FLStudio who also give lifetime free updates - it's a proven model. I think the blame really lies with Gibson for any unprofitability and closing down of Cakewalk - plus Gibson have a track record for that.

Please resist the urge to continue this line of discussion.

scook
Please resist the urge to continue this line of discussion.

Agreed.  This thread was a wasted 5 minutes of my life.  It repeats what already has been posted, and adds a bunch of negativity and worst-case-scenario speculation that is more meaningless than the "words" by Meng, which accuse him of blowing smoke up our arse.
It does NOT represent the positive excitement felt by most Cakewalk users.  It DOES represent the people who never seemed satisfied with anything that has occurred or will occur.  Just be happy that Sonar has been rescued from oblivion, and be patient to see what happens.  You can't possibly expect a new roll-out to happen overnight.

Skyline_UK
Another idiot blocked.

Yeah, tell me how you do that.  I don't see a block button anywhere.

Toddskins

Skyline_UK
Another idiot blocked.

Yeah, tell me how you do that.  I don't see a block button anywhere.

Hold your mouse pointer over their user name at the left of the post - after a second a little menu will pop up. Blocking them will be one of the options on the menu.

Personally I can't help wonder if some of the trolls are supporters of the competition sent here to make us look bad.
But if some of them truly are loyal Cakewalk users, all I have to say is we have some serious PTSD going on here!!!
I knew a girl once who went lesbian after being with an abusive man. It sounds like some people have serious trust issues which are more than likely to do with their family relationships and/or romantic relationships and/or even betrayal by close friends. I find it hypocritical that the poster complained about Sonar users thanking Meng for saving our DAW without him having done anything yet, yet he's happy to assume the very worse about Meng without proof. Guilty until proven innocent.

According to the philosophy claimed the poster should have neither positive nor negative expectations until actions are taken, but his words clearly demonstrate the highest level of negativity, which says a lot about him more than anything else.

Daibhidh
Personally I can't help wonder if some of the trolls are supporters of the competition sent here to make us look bad.

Quite a few here are doing a rather find job of making themselves look bad. No need for your competition (who would that be exactly BTW?) to pay anyone to do it for you.
 

It sounds like some people have serious trust issues which are more than likely to do with their family relationships and/or romantic relationships and/or even betrayal by close friends.

Well aren't you just the talented little psychologist. Care to tell me anything else about my personal life which you know nothing about?
 

I find it hypocritical that the poster complained about Sonar users thanking Meng for saving our DAW without him having done anything yet, yet he's happy to assume the very worse about Meng without proof.

Never complained about it. Not once. I said it made finding facts in the treads more difficult, which it does. But I never knocked anyone for doing it. I could give a crap less whose butt you choose to kiss.
 

According to the philosophy claimed the poster should have neither positive nor negative expectations until actions are taken, but his words clearly demonstrate the highest level of negativity, which says a lot about him more than anything else.

Yes I'm a horrible person and no one knew that until you pointed it out. Thank god you came along. Feel better now?

Let me get this straight.  A man buys the rights to a product that was abandoned by a parent company.  The parent company lied to its user base and basically stole from them via misrepresentation.  Now this man, for his investment, his desire to resurrect a product/service is being criticized for ambition and initiative.  Not cool.
 
Whatever happens with the product and its future, it's more than what the former owners left us with.  I am pleased to at least have a choice and maybe some retained rights of upgrade/sidegrade that were abandoned by Gibson.  Meng loves music, he is a businessman, he at least is astute enough to lend a word or two to this forum.  (not required)  I have invested, as the rest of you have significantly over the years in expensive hardware and excessively in software.  It is a choice we all make because we love music.
 
For whatever it's worth.  Meng, thank you for your efforts!  I wish you great success.  I hope your ambition and vision pays off for you and quite possibly for me as a musician who would enjoy the continued use of one of my tools/toys.  Paradigms were made to be broken.
 
I'll wait to see what you come up with and give it an objective look under the hood.  At minimum, I respect the effort and risk you are taking to keep it moving forward.  Proactive Innovation  (Provation)
 
Keep on keeping on and I'm rooting for your success.
 
Peace

I was born with nothing and proud to say I still have nearly all of it. Money just has a way of screwing up the joy of making music. So I guess I may loose the ability to reproduce an identical copy of an old project, "if" I loose any of the plugins therein. If this is the case, it would be unfair since I payed for it. I also thought it was unfair when Cakewalk started the life time updates. They started to give away plugins I payed for prior to their new business model. Simply, I was paying for things twice in the form of a "life time" update-short life. Of course, in business terms, life time means as long as you update a yearly fee to prove you are still alive.  Finally, I stopped paying and complained on the way out. Maybe others also quit and now Sonar is bankrupt. So, I can understand the skepticism expressed in this thread very well. New is not necessarily good and too often not, especially when money is involved. Maybe I'll see you on the other side. Maybe not. Follow the light.
 
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