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2014/09/07 20:41:08
brconflict
sharke
What about a limiter on bass tracks? Anyone do that?

All the time. The Waves L1 is on every single one of my Rickenbacker bass tracks, and sometimes, it's driven pretty hard even after a 76-type Compressor. It kills a lot of the clacky-ness.
2014/09/07 21:11:36
Zo
In person , i was dissapointed by the concrete (i had to buy the sonnox) , because it's not at all transparent as the sonnox , Pro L or FGX one fro exemple , sure it's very handy on individual sources ..but not on the master unless when i use it as a "portection".....
 
Konrad be sure to gain stage well before hitting the mixing stage , usually i end up max  -6db on the master and i if  go to high one the master (rarely) i just do not compensate with make up gain copresion on my MAIN buses (BEAT, FX, VOCALS, INS )
 
To answer you orginal question , yes a good limiter is always needed ..... i went sonnox cause i had a great EDU prices on the enhance bundle ...but at regular price , pro L is the best bang for the bck around , FGX is better and nowdays cheaper but heavier on cpu ...if you can wait FGX 2 is coming soon ...
2014/09/07 21:33:52
John
Thats the first time anyone has said the CL is not transparent. Of course it isn't if you use the bass switch. 
2014/09/07 22:07:47
Zo
of course john .... at the same GR as in sonnox or Pro L , i lose way more dynamic and transients ....
2014/09/08 01:52:41
Anderton
The CL is not multiband. A multiband limiter will be more transparent; I don't use the CL for program material, I use the Waves multiband limiters. But I do use the CL for drums snd other instruments because it gives a character that multiband limiters simply can't give...the CL glues the drums and ambience together because everything is subjected to the same processing. With a multiband limiter, the different sounds are more disconnected - which you want for greater transparency.
 
In any event when I want Hammer of the Gods on drums with ambience, the CL gets the call.
2014/09/08 12:45:53
clintmartin
Download http://vladgsound.wordpress.com/plugins/limiter6/ It's one of the best I've tried. 64bit and free, what's not to like? Loudmax is very good too. (64bit and free) http://loudmax.blogspot.com/  I do use the CL for tracks and buses, and Pro-L when I want something pretty to look at.
2014/09/08 20:35:22
...wicked
You could always just look at the mix at the particular area it goes over and see what you can adjust at that point to tame your levels a bit. I do this all the time with clip gain envelopes on vocals so the compression I apply doesn't work so hard...it tends to get a tighter, smoother sound.
 
2014/09/08 22:40:19
konradh
I use sampled bass but sometimes limit it because it makes the sound more focused.
2014/09/09 02:00:14
bentleyousley
AndertonP
I use the Waves multiband limiters.


Amen to that, As much as I hate their business practices, Waves makes great, transparent multi-band limiters,
2014/09/09 10:16:16
brconflict
bentleyousley
AndertonP
I use the Waves multiband limiters.


Amen to that, As much as I hate their business practices, Waves makes great, transparent multi-band limiters,

 
I have loved the Waves plug-ins since the Q10, and still love them to this day. The L3-16 Multiband Limiter is pretty awesome. Waves implementation of the Priority thresholds in these limiters is second to none as far as the level of control you get with these limiters. So, I totally agree, Waves makes the best Multiband Limiters, IMO.
 
They also make some really awesome modeled plug-ins as well, which we know Cakewalk does, too!

I used to be very critical of the Waves business practices and such until they started offering better WUP deals and some real steals on their plug-ins, and I started using WUP. WUP, especially gives a bad taste to anyone who doesn't want to pay extra $ for the expensive plug-ins they bought every year or so. Where I have a problem is when a company like Avid changes their proprietary plug-in format from RTAS to AAX, costing Waves many $ and resource hours to make their plug-ins compatible, possibly eating up some of the dollars I spent in WUP. 
 
It makes sense that Waves should do this to make those sales and the PT users happy, but Avid likely never remotely considered or cared how this affected even potential PT customers. So, I have a bad taste in my mouth about that. Avid doesn't care and they have demonstrated that to me, personally.
 
I'm so thankful Cakewalk doesn't do this to their own customers. Thank you, Cakewalk for keeping the VST2/3 format a possibility. You understand this Flexibility.
 
Back to WUP, when I first realized I needed WUP to upgrade my plug-ins to newer versions, which isn't necessarily required so long as you download the offline installer and don't buy plug-ins newer than your versions, they do offer after-hours support (scheduled on-call), and have a seriously savvy staff to support, not only their plug-ins, but the DAW's use of those plug-ins. They know Sonar pretty well.
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