John
I love X3e producer but CW could improve the staff view and tweak the autozoom. I wouldn't mind if they did that.

And fix the Drum Map problems which have been around since at least 6PE
 
But I guess this discussion does not really belong to this thread

brconflict

Anderton

brconflict

Anderton

smallstonefan
There are some good perspectives here...

One thing I'd like to emphasize is that Cakewalk's future is no longer in doubt. Gibson is very committed to this venture,
 
 

Fortunately, Gibson seems to be letting CW run it's own house.

Very much so. Cakewalk welcomes ideas, but ultimately, how they run the show is up to them. And let me add they have some pretty cool and highly innovative ideas they're tossing around...I think Cakewalk is really going to shake up this industry.

I think Cakewalk has the potential to shake up the industry. I think the challenge is, what exactly does that entail? From my point of view everyone has very different ideas of what features, integrations, and such would do just that. So much progress has been made to improve the holistic "value" of Sonar (i.e. Plug-ins), and in the MIDI/VST realm. I'm ready to see some progress in scooting PT over on the shelf and making headway into major studios in the tracking, mixing, and mastering realm of live bands, live performances. THIS is where I'd like to see CW shake up the industry. This is where I work.

 Not gonna happen. Old habits die hard.  People stick with the same software based on familiarity instead of what's better.  
 

stxx
Call me crazy but X3 is awesome and I can't imagine that only a very small percentage of people here utilize a fraction of the capabilities of Sonar in any one projectat any one time.    What would someone want in a future release at thispoint that Sonar does not do well already??  Sonar has GREAT modules on Prochannel, Great effects, Great instruments and pretty damn good timing tools, pretty damn good comping tool and take management, full midi support, full support for VST 3, UAD , WAVES and any other 3rd party and finally melodyne.  What else does anyone need to make a great record???

Talent! Unfortunately we're all on our own there. Cakewalk can only do so much. :-)

kitekrazy1

smallstonefan
 
I'm ready to see some progress in scooting PT over on the shelf and making headway into major studios in the tracking, mixing, and mastering realm of live bands, live performances. THIS is where I'd like to see CW shake up the industry. This is where I work.

Not gonna happen. Old habits die hard.  People stick with the same software based on familiarity instead of what's better.  

 
True, but Pro Tools' market share is declining as new people come into the field. When newcomers assess their needs, Pro Tools is less likely to be the answer than it was a decade ago.
 

Anderton

kitekrazy1

smallstonefan
 
I'm ready to see some progress in scooting PT over on the shelf and making headway into major studios in the tracking, mixing, and mastering realm of live bands, live performances. THIS is where I'd like to see CW shake up the industry. This is where I work.

Not gonna happen. Old habits die hard.  People stick with the same software based on familiarity instead of what's better.  

 
True, but Pro Tools' market share is declining as new people come into the field. When newcomers assess their needs, Pro Tools is less likely to be the answer than it was a decade ago.
 

And the same thing can be said of SONAR.  I know of at least twelve people that I'm in regular contact with, who were once considered hard core Cakewalk SONAR users and now have switched to PT 11, Samplitude, Studio One or Reaper.
 
I won't say it's a matter of what program is better more than it's a matter of what program fits your style of working better.  Me, I transitioned through three different DAW platforms before landing in PT 11 after failing to find a way to make the X series SONAR work in a manner that fits the way I prefer to work.  Some will argue with me that SONAR (Cakewalk) was the first at this, this and this and is excellent at this, this and this and I will counter that PT11 finally came around and now also does this, this and this, as well and excels at this, this and this even more.
 
I really don't give a flip about who sells the most copies of product more than gourmet hamburger shop cares about how many burgers a certain fast food chain sells.  I look at the music professionals that I want to emulate and consider what they use and why they use it.  That's what influences me now.

Mod Bod
And the same thing can be said of SONAR.  I know of at least twelve people that I'm in regular contact with, who were once considered hard core Cakewalk SONAR users and now have switched to PT 11, Samplitude, Studio One or Reaper.

 
It's not quite the same thing; that's anecdotal. My statement was based on verified sales figures.
 

I won't say it's a matter of what program is better more than it's a matter of what program fits your style of working better.

Which was my point exactly. To re-iterate, a lot of people getting into DAWs look at Pro Tools and find it doesn't suit their needs as well as other programs that have entered the market more recently than Pro Tools.
 

I really don't give a flip about who sells the most copies of product more than gourmet hamburger shop cares about how many burgers a certain fast food chain sells.

 
That's not the point; this isn't about you. To many people heavily into EDM, then Ableton Live Suite with the Push controller would be the gourmet hamburger shop, and Pro Tools the fast food chain. The point is what you see as "the gourmet hamburger shop" is losing share. As to why, I consulted quite a bit to Avid prior to Gibson acquiring Cakewalk, and I have discussed my opinions with them. 
 
Just to be clear, Pro Tools is still at the top of the heap in terms of dollar revenues and although some people think Avid's troubles mean Pro Tools might go away, I would place the odds against that happening at 1000:1.
 
 

Let's not forget that many "Production" houses are primarily Mac shops.

kitekrazy1
Not gonna happen. Old habits die hard.  People stick with the same software based on familiarity instead of what's better.  
 

Oh it happens. But you need to offer something significantly better. I'm thinking of Quark Express being trashed upon by Adobe InDesign right now.

CakeAlexS

kitekrazy1
Not gonna happen. Old habits die hard.  People stick with the same software based on familiarity instead of what's better.  
 

Oh it happens. But you need to offer something significantly better. I'm thinking of Quark Express being trashed upon by Adobe InDesign right now.

To take over the market, one needs to create the proverbial 'Stairway to Heaven'. It's a very serious challenge, and competition is rather skilled, too. Who's going to get "there" first? Who will be the developer that pops out the keystone in the stony bridge between PT and the mainstream?
 
Adobe had Pagemaker for years, competing with Quark, which I believe was the industry leader at the time. Adobe lost the market, and pulled Pagemaker. They started the newer InDesign and rocked the publishing community. I've heard it being called, "Quark Killer".
 
My theory of evolving software: 'It can be done. Eventually it will.'   Who's going to be first?

What "professionals" want/need is reliability, not cute features.   If Sonar is to ever get close to replacing PT in pro studios then the bakers need to concentrate on fixing ALL of the historical bugs, work-arounds and quirkiness of some of the "features" in Sonar.
 
You shouldn't need to be a geek to work a DAW, it should be as simple as possible.