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  • Sonar X3c crashing (p.4)
2013/11/25 17:35:21
robert_e_bone
For whatever the worth, if any, I use UAC by choice, and have had no issues with it running.
 
I believe it helps keep unauthorized manipulation of my system, and for me that far outweighs any hassle caused by my having to click OK when running things.
 
As a programmer of 38 years, I have some level of understanding as to how easy it is to have an unknown and unwanted application doing things behind the scenes, so I will likely NEVER opt to turn UAC off on any system I have running.
 
Bob Bone
2013/11/25 17:43:36
Bristol_Jonesey
CakeAlexS
AUD.INI is where your Sonar settings are kept.
Bare in mind you should keep a record of your Sonar settings in preferences, or better still just rename the file to keep a record.
 
Four reasons to do this:
 
* File got corrupted.
* Your cakewalk settings are invalid (maybe down to an upgrade script going wrong or something) and it's best to start again.
* You wanna see if it makes any difference in a crashing app scenario.
* Fancy a cleanup.
 
So yes a dodgy AUD.INI could be the cause of crashes as well, nicely pointed out...


Put it this way. I only recently did this on my system. I'd been carrying the same aud.ini through several versions - each one getting a bit bigger with every upgrade.
 
The newly generated file was about half the size of the original (we're only talking Kilobytes here) and I notice a marked improvement, the whole application just felt a little more robust. I wasn't suffering from any major crashes or freezes, just the odd one now & again, but since the aud.ini file was re-created, the program has felt a lot more solid.
2013/11/25 17:55:58
dappa1
Since I have been using an external hard drive yes I get the occasional drop out but it is nothing to worry about everything runs smoothe
2013/11/26 19:50:21
Sir Les
Thanks Bristol Jonesey for that tip...for us Drunken mead consumers....LOL
 
 
 
Sir Les
2013/11/26 20:07:56
Sir Les
Hay Robert e Bone
 
I would say the debate was more in my mind to reduce variables, that may be causing corruption either of  Sonar's installation, or background app interference of Sonar's saves and renders...to a drive.
Turning off UAC/and other security software,... installing legitimate software . Needs no UAC validation or permissions other than the one installing it,...it is not going to burn down the house to turn it off....and once Sonar is installed properly....one can turn them back on, if need be, or leave them off for further testing...of the software's performance
 
One thing less running in the background...means more Processing to the software and plugins....in the end thought mead/made.
Not saying it will, or won't solve anything...but it is one less variable to consider...if one tries.
 
But let see what gets posted up. in terms of info or input.
 
To further ponder pondering this UAC...The pentagon has bee hacked, Nasa has been hacked, military also,  the white house, and other state of union....UAC does nothing to protect anything, if the right hacker hacks the system.
 
Don't be fooled by the radio,   t.v. , or the magazines, Just remember that its a grand illusion...made by mead.
 
Sir Les
2013/11/26 20:28:05
Splat
> Turning off UAC/and other security software,... installing legitimate software .
 
I'm glad you are in a position to know what is legitimate software or isn't. Did you know sometimes "legitimate" software on occasion contains malware. Fair enough if you prefer to use "your opinion" (how is this done - mind meld?) rather than actually doing a real check.
 
For the love of God...study what admin permission do and why you should not grant them to apps without your authorisation. Stop saying over and over again the same thing without doing some reading will you? Educate yourself! Here is yet another link, the Linux equivalent sudo ("SuperUser Do") as you don't trust Microsoft, it's no coincidence that they both do something similar. the people who design operating system security are not idiots (sadly the people who disable thing sort of functionality are):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudo
 
To further ponder pondering this UAC...The pentagon has bee hacked, Nasa has been hacked, military also,  the white house, and other state of union....UAC does nothing to protect anything, if the right hacker hacks the system.


What a load of baloney, security has many layers. Of course nothing is ever totally secure, on the basis of what you have just said you might as well leave your front door open.
 
if the right hacker hacks the system.

Most breaking in is opportunistic. e.g. try every door and see which one opens. Your door will open if you haven't locked it. And a burglar alarm might be useful in case that happens. I've know that since I was 13.

BTW since UAC has been introduced the number of Windows Zombie PC's have been considerably reduced.
 
And if you think this sort of security is irrelevant, again, please give me your PIN number as you don't need it!
2013/11/26 20:33:47
Splat
Oh let me guess it's 1234 ;)
2013/11/27 08:45:28
Sir Les
Hi CakeAlexS...Again No disrespect or ill will or name calling...out for the love of....But seeing as you do...I do to.
 
Well...To answer the question in reverse...How does UAC or any other security feature ,or software,  (that may need updating periodically and continually)...know what is or isn't Malware or such?
 
If one buys a software from a supposed reputable company (Snicker) such as Roland or Gibson or Avid or propeller head, Steinbug, or whatever....One assumes the responsibility lies on the BUILDER and then _=_" Master owner of the  agreement of use " and of the systems, that bought it to use on his or her or their sytems.  To install it correctly without interruption of that process, would be prudent!....I would assume that is the bottom line with most who do buy such things, that want them to work properly if...and I say IF....If I bought it, I want to use it...and if it needs to work properly...I  should follow some method to make sure it is installed without errors....Period....and UAC is not going to stop that process from it's installing, or  working state, or use there of, on said system with said OS and drivers!!! ... and if it tries to stop some of the code from being written to where or what ever in the OS when installing...that would be sabotage if it does!...CORRUPT SOME OF THE CODE...OR  STOP some of the CODE FROM BEING WRITTEN.
If all I have to do is   "agree to install it with UAC"  ....It stops nothing of your claim of malware from being installed!
 
God is on my corner too....and his love for me is unmatched...Cause I am not like the others!...LOL
 
Admin?...I do not have countless users and accounts on my systems to reck havoc and may ham, nor are they networked together!...I do not need administration if I am the administer!...And Yes I am  here in my domain.
But that is my reality...
 
Then there is You....and for you it works Your way....Not saying it will work for all...cause if that were so, Black Viper's tips and tricks would be redundant in being....But they are there, because SOME PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS.
 
Some consumers have no issues with their systems and devices working properly out of the box...BUT SOME DO.......If you visit me...come see the crap work on a un tweaked system, with quality parts installed...and then see how it works on a tweaked one with same quality parts....If you want to, You can try it at home....many have, and they say it works ok now...it's still not perfect...But it ain't crashing for me, and my other software seems to like what Viper suggested...That I have digested so far for my Audio systems...and working ok with other more stable Software to boot to, and is making headway....Finally..?
 
 
As I said it is just a variable that should not be overlooked...if one is going to troubleshoot...and security is being used ....as stated By Joyof60...might as well go all the way..turn it all off...I say...and let no stone be unturned.....But that is just me being me.. counting all variables....
 
And for the love of Marry, Jim, Bob, and Ricky, Sam, and Hector...Let's drop this....and move along.
 
Enough said?...
2013/11/27 09:46:50
robert_e_bone
It is my observance that when a discussion has already expressed itself to this degree, that there is little likelihood that anyone's position will change, and it ends up at a stalemate.
 
All we can really do as forum members is to express our beliefs in what we think will benefit someone, and then that person can either choose to implement that set of information or not, and that's just the way it will always be.
 
So, it would seem that this thread has come to that point, with two opposing thoughts on it all, and it is the system owner who will decide what they believe is best for them.  Further discussion will likely deteriorate between the folks with opposing thoughts, and that would be unfortunate.
 
I will turn my attention to other matters then - good luck to both sides of the fence on this issue - hope it all works for all.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/11/27 10:11:21
Splat
Agreed Bob, rather than spell it out I've linked to several articles explaining why UAC functions the way it does, and even to the Linux equivalent just to show this is mainstream for a purpose. Clearly if those articles had been studied carefully without bias the opinions expressed would have been different (I notice no attempt at discussion about how the functionality actually works, rather what's happening on an observational/user level... i.e. it's just being perceived as an annoying prompt). Regardless I will repeat, should you wish to keep your door unlocked at night that is your choice, but please don't recommend others to do the same, or supply an automated method that will open the door (a utilitity) without warning of the consequences. I notice none of this has anything to do with what the OP was asking about either, how disabling UAC can resolve his issue I have no idea. That is all.
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