For a 73 year old, I have a pretty good crop of hair; but, I find myself pulling more and more of it out  as I try to synchronize ten separate Voice tracks that I am working on as an acapella version of No Not Much  made popular by the Four Lads.  Maybe it is carelessness as I modify track rhythms to sync them up. In any event I put this out to learn if others have found similar issues with Sonar X3.  I thought I read somewhere on this forum that such an issues exists.  I have not attempted (on this piece) to use AudioSnap. Maybe it's only hear-say (or heresy); but,  I read that maybe it is not all that is is cracked up to be.   

When you say you are modifying track rhythms to sync them up, but you are not using Audio Snap, how are you doing it ? Do you mean adjusting the tempo map ? Are you using Melodyne Region FX to adjust the audio vocal tracks ?
 
You may lose more hair with Audio Snap than you would with Melodyne.

...and what do you mean by "not stable"?

noynekker
When you say you are modifying track rhythms to sync them up, but you are not using Audio Snap, how are you doing it ? Do you mean adjusting the tempo map ? Are you using Melodyne Region FX to adjust the audio vocal tracks ?
 You may lose more hair with Audio Snap than you would with Melodyne.

I may need to make some note length adjustments using Melodyne  or even re-record. Otherwise I am aligning the audio waveforms .  I then listen to ensure that they are reasonably sync'd. 

Anderton
...and what do you mean by "not stable"?

Once I sync and set preferences for audio a set of tracks, (e.g., Background Oohs or Ahs) I Bounce them to a separate track so that I can add effects to and adjust that track.  After bouncing, I find that the alignment is lost ... almost as if I had never taken time to align them. Again my carelessness might enter into the picture, however, could it be that a bug exists causing the "Bounce to Track" feature to use a saved former state of the otherwise aligned track? I haven't examined it closely, but, I've tried done it long enough and enough times to feel that there may be a bug.  

noynekker
You may lose more hair with Audio Snap than you would with Melodyne.

 By the way, I appreciate your sense of humor.  May I assume that Audio Snap is problematic?

cpkoch

noynekker
You may lose more hair with Audio Snap than you would with Melodyne.

By the way, I appreciate your sense of humor.  May I assume that Audio Snap is problematic?

Yes and no. It requires a fair amount of manual babysitting to get good results; it's not as "automatic" as people would like it to be. 
 
But if you're cutting and aligning manually, really, there shouldn't be any changes with bouncing. I must have bounced tracks thousands of times with Sonar, and the pieces always ended up where they were supposed.
 
Rather than try to troubleshoot, consider this: Select all the cut-up pieces within a single track that are synched as desired, then bounce them to a single clip within that track. If you need to get them into a different track, shift+drag them, which maintains their start point.

cpkoch

noynekker
You may lose more hair with Audio Snap than you would with Melodyne.

By the way, I appreciate your sense of humor.  May I assume that Audio Snap is problematic?

What Craig is saying, I have found to be true - - - if you spend a lot of time with the Manual, and really study AudioSnap it can be a powerful tool . . . but if you start clicking AudioSnap buttons without the knowledge of what they do to the project, things can get messed up pretty good, and are hard to undo.
 
I really think Melodyne is the best for manipulating Vocal Audio tracks, but best if you have the Melodyne Editor version. The "Essential" version that comes with X3 certainly has some limitations.
 
Bounce to Clips is what I use after editing, that keeps everything simple, and also "Removing Empty take Lanes" can help, but it sounds like you're using Bounce to Tracks ?
 
Do you use the nudge feature when aligning the vocal part clips to move in small increments ?

noynekker
 
Do you use the nudge feature when aligning the vocal part clips to move in small increments ?

I had't located a Nudge Feature  until you brought it up. I'm one of those guys that learns by discovery or by someone pounding information into my senses. As a ,matter of fact I just looked it up. Thanks for the tip.  

+1 to the bounce to clips. Also whenever you get into rendering anything, save the project with a new descriptive name.
 
Without seeing what you are working with, if you get into working with audio clips that were not recorded at the same time, the synching process can get complex. I have recorded ideas off-the-cuff and later wanted to keep them, so have split the clips into phrases. If you CTRL-drag the right edge of a clip, you can time-stretch phrases, which sometimes works better than the overall clip (due to fluctuations in a live performance). When edited to your liking, highlight all the clips in the track, right click, and select "Bounce to Clip(s)."
 
The reason for the bounce to clip is that the (edited) clips you have created are "windows" into the same audio file, but each with different "views." When you select all of these clips and "bounce to clip" it renders one new audio file (hence saving as a new project name). Depending on effects used, etc., this can also reduce CPU loading (depending on project size). I am pretty old school in keeping things simple... if it sounds like what you want, then commit it so that the computer doesn't have to process edits each time.
 
I am hoping that the tracks you are working with were all recorded at the same time. Questions like this are where a "community Gobbler" account would come in handy, since it would be easier to actually see what you are working with.

Don't forget the powerful Time function within V-Vocal.
 
I use this all the time for synching backing vocals, and I'm fortunate enough to be able to run with multiple, live VV clips without  issue.