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  • Midi channel switches/changes (solved but not really. Feature request?)
2014/08/18 20:22:23
Guitarpima
I was watching the Groove 3 video series on midi and orchestration and was intrigued by the midi channel switching. He used Miroslav Philharmonik and loaded the different articulations, of a single instrument, onto the different channels.
 
He mentioned something in Logic where you can assign a note to change the midi channel. Can this be done in Sonar. I use X2 to do all the grunt work and then when everything is nearly done, I move it to X3.
 
My other question is when you make a channel change, does it stay the same until you make another one?
 
I'm not sure I'm asking this properly as I've only done it the one channel way. I wrote this string quartet and would like to make all the articulation/channel changes to make it sound correct.
 
I could probably muddle through but any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
2014/08/18 22:03:09
John
You can insert a Channel change via the List View though I do not recommend that What I do is use a different track. A track for me is the same as a channel sort of. The widget in the Inspector handles all channel data for me. 
 
Usually a key switch can be done on the fly and you shouldn't need to preload the articulation. Often key switched articulations are marked as such when you load the samples.  
2014/08/19 12:38:56
Guitarpima
Thanks for the reply John. I should have mentioned that I'll be using Miroslav as well.
 
If I enter the channel change in the note properties does it stay the same until I enter another change in the next note where I need the change? Or, as you say, is listing it in the event viewer, or inserting the channel change, the best way?
 
I appreciate the help.
2014/08/19 12:53:42
John
If I understand you yes it would stay until you put in another one. 
2014/08/21 17:01:24
Guitarpima
I appreciate the help John.
 
I could not figure out how to make midi channel changes using the inspector. I can make them but I can't make them change when I want them to.
 
I can make the changes in the note properties but this will drive me insane if I can't figure out how to make changes to more than one note at a time.
2014/08/21 18:41:30
Anderton
Sonarians often set up drum maps to do keyswitching and/or channel switching, because you can remap input notes to any output note, channel, or port. You can even do velocity offsets and velocity scaling, if appropriate. You only have to go through the hassle of setting up a drum map for your instrument once, and then it's ready to go.
 
Drum Maps are kind of a prehistoric Sonar feature...I haven't used them for this application, but quite a few users have commented on their suitability for this purpose.
2014/08/21 20:40:52
Guitarpima
Does this mean I have to put notes below where the notes are played but they just trigger channel changes?
2014/08/21 21:35:05
John
Guitarpima
Does this mean I have to put notes below where the notes are played but they just trigger channel changes?


I was talking about how I do things not how you would. The Inspector can deal with only one channel at a time. You set it there and it will stay on that channel. The Event view is for inserting changes over time. 
 
Craig mentioned Drum Maps for doing this but I think that might be over kill. Drum Maps are very flexible and would work but you can do the same thing within the Event View. The Event View has a column for channels all you need to do is change that. However. you would need to change all the notes you want on a different channel.
 
I would split the track and put the new channel into a different track. Each track would be its own channel.   
2014/08/21 21:54:48
Guitarpima
I was looking at the DM manager and I think putting the appropriate clips on their own tracks according to channels would be faster. It seems weird to me that you can't make the changes within the tracks instead of having many tracks for one part. At any rate, it was a learning experience.
 
On second thought, it seems ludicrous that you can't do it. Imaging having to have up to 8 midi tracks for one part if you write for an orchestra? Hundreds of midi tracks. Crazy!
2014/08/21 22:00:06
Guitarpima
BTW - Thanks for the input!
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