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  • Frustrating sync problem (converting midi to audio) (p.3)
2014/08/13 12:20:50
Anderton
tyroneshuz1
DON'T RECORD ANY AUDIO till this is done or I'll have to slide it over. I managed to get that done, so I got my project done, but it was a PITA to get it where it was. Zooming in helped but it was still a bit tedious, you can't really snap audio to a grid!

 
I do concurrent MIDI and audio recordings all the time so that shouldn't be an issue. I suspect once you disable and stop using the MS synth things will work as expected. I have never had to slide audio to match up with MIDI parts.
2014/08/13 12:42:16
RobertB
Bingo!
You can record audio first, but be sure to use that metronome.
This way, you will be in sync with the same time reference your MIDI tracks will be using.
I usually build my songs starting with a guitar track (audio), so setting up the metronome correctly is fairly critical.
The metronome will follow BPM and meter settings in the transport control. If you are unsure of your BPM, you can use tap tempo to find it.
The relationship between MIDI and audio is probably the most difficult concept for new users to grasp.
Once you wrap your head around this, things start to fall into place.
It looks like you are starting to get it.
Keep moving forward, and have fun.
2014/08/13 13:42:38
tyroneshuz1
OK I think I get it now.
As long as I use the AUDIO metronome, and play to that click, I can add Midi tracks later.
I disabled the MS Wavetable as my MIDI OUT and get brow-beaten about having no MIDI outputs, but I went back to my project and could still hear the tracks, I'm assuming due to the soft synth that's running.
 
Here's the tune, it's just one take, all improv, a couple flubs just demo-ing the clean tone on this particular guitar.  I managed to get it pretty loud, probably a hair over-compressed. 
 
OK, never mind about the tune, won't let me post the link. Soundcloud Tyrone Shuz "clean PRS demo" but I don't expect any of y'all to go through all the trouble. I'll be buggin' y'all again in a hurry I'm sure!
2014/08/13 14:10:51
RobertB
Don't worry about the "No MIDI Outputs" message. That harks back to the bronze age, and I'm kind of surprised it still shows up. You should see an option to turn it off.
With VSTi soft synths, it is not relevant.
After you have 26 posts, you will be able to insert links.
2014/08/13 15:54:25
tyroneshuz1
I couldn't get my old membership to work, I'm sure it's my fault, but I'm better at computers than I appear in this thread, I'm not a complete Luddite. Yes, I saw the "don't show again" message, and I will avail myself of it next time I open X3.
 
The language changes, understandably, with time--Cakewalk 6, SONAR 2.2, X1 Essential, and now X3 for me. The latter two aren't very different, but I am a long-time but infrequent user of the product. That's now changing as I use it in my teaching studio with intermediate and advanced students. 
 
This seems to me much like advanced math--no single operation is difficult, but if you don't remember the order of the process you're sunk! I didn't have a math teacher tell me that till I was about done with math! 
 
As a denizen of the Bronze Age, I can see how this is a better way of doing things, I just have to forget some of what I had previously practiced. For someone who the IRS believes to be a working musician, this has been a completely humbling, yet educational experience.
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