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2014/06/30 18:47:48
codamedia
200bpm
I think albums had to be better composed to entice you to play side two.  Today with digital and instant gratification, you just jump to tracks you like so the organizational concept of "album" is no longer as important. 



Earlier I posted about not "missing" vinyl because of it's limitations and the compromises engineers were forced to make - but ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ is something I LOVED about albums.
 
With a CD, artists (let me rephrase, LABELS) are forcing 12, 13, 14 and even more songs on the CD's and they are not well paced. I rarely find any flow on ANY CD. Vinyl Albums were "masterfully" put together in terms of pacing. It was like a live set list. Grab your attention, roll along for one or two more, slip in a ballad, end with a bang. Repeat on side 2! Sometimes they got sneaky and ended side 1 with a ballad... That really forced you to move on to the next side - you couldn't leave it on a ballad! Those little twists were GONE with CD's. Don't even get me going on Random....
 
Aside from the Artwork, and maybe even more than the Artwork - this is what I really miss about vinyl.  But nothing else
2014/06/30 20:25:29
Splat
There you go, PROOF that there are bugs in vinyl!
I'm logging an issue with The Victor Talking Machine Company.
2014/07/01 07:46:02
RickJP909
codamedia
Earlier I posted about not "missing" vinyl because of it's limitations and the compromises engineers were forced to make - but ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ is something I LOVED about albums.
 
With a CD, artists (let me rephrase, LABELS) are forcing 12, 13, 14 and even more songs on the CD's and they are not well paced. I rarely find any flow on ANY CD. Vinyl Albums were "masterfully" put together in terms of pacing. It was like a live set list. Grab your attention, roll along for one or two more, slip in a ballad, end with a bang. Repeat on side 2! Sometimes they got sneaky and ended side 1 with a ballad... That really forced you to move on to the next side - you couldn't leave it on a ballad! Those little twists were GONE with CD's. Don't even get me going on Random....
 
Aside from the Artwork, and maybe even more than the Artwork - this is what I really miss about vinyl.  But nothing else



Well, I grew up in an age of vinyl and hated the fact that they were noisy, wore out as I played some discs to death, some were warped from new and scratched, 7" and 12" singles were mastered differently to albums and you could clearly hear the difference in volume but I agree there was something about this to love so we share opinions here.
 
However, I do have fond memories of using them and my turntable which is why I still have around 200 of them with a good turntable, but...
 
When CDs came out, I loved it as I could play to death my albums without worry of wear.  Also, they were mastered more consistently until we got into the loudness war!!!  I personally loved the fact that artists could now produce longer albums and you didn't have to change the damn thing over to continue listening to it but there was something about that which I did like so in a way, I have contradictory feelings.
 
I think the revival is a case of how history has a habit of re-appearing as we all love to look back and sometimes it's the youngsters who are simply just looking for something different which is typical of fashion, lets be honest!
 
I was in HMV the other day and a young sales guy was telling me how their vinyl section is getting bigger as they're selling more discs and how amazing they sound, meanwhile I couldn't help smiling and eventually I had to tell him that I grew up in that age and still have a collection of them but in my opinion, there's nothing particularly amazing as they were always produced with sonic compromises and a frequency response which favoured our natural hearing.
 
As they say, there's no accounting for fashion, trends or taste.
 
What I will say though is don't knock CDs too much as the whole market is losing out to the dreaded MP3 download market and soon listening to quality recordings with artwork and getting that whole "you've bought a product, an image and a story" package will be lost forever as downloading MP3s is killing that whole romanticism that we had with music in the last centaury and it's all the fault of the big greedy record companies which is exactly why CD single's sales died a nasty death in the UK!!!
2014/07/23 22:34:40
cpkoch
It was a while back  when  I posed the initial questions about vinyls coming back.  As I suspected, I get the impression that nostalgia, forms the roots of Vinyl's comeback. My own nostalgic experience dates back to 1949 when our Dad came home for the weekend from his job in Long Island  with an RCA Victor 45 RPM record player.  It was near Christmas  and was, in every respect, the most memorable gift  I can think of ... especially since among the 10 or 12 albums ( each consisting or 5 or 6 records)  was Roy Rogers' and Gabby Hayes' Lore of the West.  I recently found found it online and ...  frankly  ... became filled with emotion as I recall hearing the "lore" played through our prized  Stromberg-Carlson Radio Console
Enjoy!
2014/07/24 12:19:32
yorolpal
One thing that's missing from the streaming, digital world of music is the tactile pleasure of actually holding an object in your hands with pictures and writing on it that you can look at and read while listening to the music.  And then see and touch when you're not.  Might sound crazy, but it was quite a bit of the joy of experiencing "new music" when I were a lad.
 
2014/07/24 12:26:55
lawp
not read the whole thread, of course, but fwiw i devour music in 2 ways - digitally for convenience and superdjshuffle, vinyl for touchy feely, and gigs for energy, so that's 3 ways
 
cd's got overtaken by mp3s but people who like to buy music like to get something; digital is only ever an approximation; have you seen some of the new vinyl packages getting released?!
2014/07/24 12:28:54
lawp
also, hijacking the internet just to stream mainstream tv/music/films is a bugbear of mine... it's like the natural conclusion of sending 20MB word docs by email... grr
 
2014/07/24 14:24:54
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
yorolpal
One thing that's missing from the streaming, digital world of music is the tactile pleasure of actually holding an object in your hands with pictures and writing on it that you can look at and read while listening to the music.  And then see and touch when you're not.  Might sound crazy, but it was quite a bit of the joy of experiencing "new music" when I were a lad.
 

 
This is the primary reason why I buy vinyl. One of my earliest musical memories is sitting with my dad while we took Zeppelin IV out of the sleeve and I first heard Black Dog. The cryptic album cover made what I was listening to even more mysterious and mythical. It's something I hope to be able to share with my children. You simply don't get that around the glow of an iPod.

Vinyl has it's limitations but digital copies come with almost every vinyl sold today. There's no real downside to purchasing it as a consumer except for it's size and weight, especially if you invest in the 180gr pressings.  
2014/07/24 15:11:24
lawp
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
Vinyl has it's limitations but digital copies come with almost every vinyl sold today.

that's me :-)
2014/07/24 15:13:17
Ruben
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
yorolpal
One thing that's missing from the streaming, digital world of music is the tactile pleasure of actually holding an object in your hands with pictures and writing on it that you can look at and read while listening to the music.  And then see and touch when you're not.  Might sound crazy, but it was quite a bit of the joy of experiencing "new music" when I were a lad.
 

 
This is the primary reason why I buy vinyl. One of my earliest musical memories is sitting with my dad while we took Zeppelin IV out of the sleeve and I first heard Black Dog. The cryptic album cover made what I was listening to even more mysterious and mythical. It's something I hope to be able to share with my children. You simply don't get that around the glow of an iPod.

 
Too many people dismiss the vinyl resurgence as nostalgia, but there are many younger people who are currently into vinyl, people who weren't around for the popular days of vinyl, and these people don't have any nostalgic feelings associated with it - they have discovered that they like vinyl separate from its past. I think the tactile dimension - holding something in one's hands that can be read/studied/appreciated - is a far bigger reason for vinyl's comeback than nostalgia.
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