wanna love X3
I have no clue how many plugins I have but 500 seems a lot, I would say less than that. I am using my own custom plugin layout, but it is stored on my os disk wich is a pretty fast SSD drive, and defragged weekly. I don't know of anyway to defrag registry? please share. I do not have any anti virus running. Most of the time I'm not on the internet with this machine.

You can see the count of plugins each time you load SONAR when it displays the scan status message. Also you can see the count in the plugin browser. Try switching to the "default - all plugins" layout instead of your custom layout and see if it loads fast. Custom layouts load from disk and use an XML parser. If you have a large custom layout that might play a role in this.

Couple quick comments. First, a SSD should not be defragged as it significantly reduces memory cell longevity and is unnecessary. Second, did you transfer settings, templates, etc. from 8.5.3? If so, that may be part of the issue. There are a few others here that jumped from 8.5 to X3 that may have better insight about this.

wanna love X3

musicroom
I too had fx bin lag for a while. Drove me crazy!!  It took a lot of searching to find the problem(s). The part of the way solution was to upgrade my video card and also some houskeeping to remove some older or poorly written plugins. I also had snappy response with the fx bin in previous versions of sonar, including X1 and X2. So it is an X3 thing, but that doesn't mean it's a bug. X3 is built differently and I found I needed to stay with plugins that are either better written or more suited to X3. Typically most plugins were fine, but I knew I had way too many old freebies loaded.
 
Another note: My problems with the fx bin really started becoming noticeable after I loaded the LE version of Cubase that came with some hardware. Even though I uninstalled CubaseLE, the problem stayed.
 
And finally, last weekend I reformatted my hard drive and reloaded the OS and only the software I needed. It had been over 5 years and I had about 50 gb of crap camping out on my OS. Now, everything including a snappy fx bin is working great. My 5 year old machine is fast, sonar X3e is running great at low latencies. (I have a studiocat daw)
 
I hope some of this helps you as you try to find the root cause of your observations. It may require some time and effort to undo something that is interfering with X3. My ultimate solution was to have a clean OS. It was needed anyway.
 
 
Cheers

Any eLicenser presence in your old system?

 
Yes - I did have eLicenser installed.
 
 

By the way - way back up in the beginning of the thread, I asked for some info, one piece of which was the driver mode in Sonar.
 
The reason I did that is that while things may work great in 8.5.3 for you, Sonar maintains a different set of stored parameter settings for Preferences for X3, so if for instance you have Driver Mode in X3 set to something different than for 8.5.3, it may be relevant, which is why I asked.
 
Sooooo, what driver mode is set in X3?
 

Don't know if this is relevant, but when I checked windows for optional updates nvidia had an audio driver update for the graphics card in my laptop.

musicroom

wanna love X3

musicroom
I too had fx bin lag for a while. Drove me crazy!!  It took a lot of searching to find the problem(s). The part of the way solution was to upgrade my video card and also some houskeeping to remove some older or poorly written plugins. I also had snappy response with the fx bin in previous versions of sonar, including X1 and X2. So it is an X3 thing, but that doesn't mean it's a bug. X3 is built differently and I found I needed to stay with plugins that are either better written or more suited to X3. Typically most plugins were fine, but I knew I had way too many old freebies loaded.
 
Another note: My problems with the fx bin really started becoming noticeable after I loaded the LE version of Cubase that came with some hardware. Even though I uninstalled CubaseLE, the problem stayed.
 
And finally, last weekend I reformatted my hard drive and reloaded the OS and only the software I needed. It had been over 5 years and I had about 50 gb of crap camping out on my OS. Now, everything including a snappy fx bin is working great. My 5 year old machine is fast, sonar X3e is running great at low latencies. (I have a studiocat daw)
 
I hope some of this helps you as you try to find the root cause of your observations. It may require some time and effort to undo something that is interfering with X3. My ultimate solution was to have a clean OS. It was needed anyway.
 
 
Cheers

Any eLicenser presence in your old system?

 
Yes - I did have eLicenser installed.
 
 

Just tried without eLicenser, same deal

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

wanna love X3
I have no clue how many plugins I have but 500 seems a lot, I would say less than that. I am using my own custom plugin layout, but it is stored on my os disk wich is a pretty fast SSD drive, and defragged weekly. I don't know of anyway to defrag registry? please share. I do not have any anti virus running. Most of the time I'm not on the internet with this machine.

You can see the count of plugins each time you load SONAR when it displays the scan status message. Also you can see the count in the plugin browser. Try switching to the "default - all plugins" layout instead of your custom layout and see if it loads fast. Custom layouts load from disk and use an XML parser. If you have a large custom layout that might play a role in this.

turns out I have 473 plugins! I tried switching to the default menu, still the same lag. I am using the same folder for PGL in 8.5 64 and x3e 64, 8.5 is instant, X3 is not

Anderton
Don't know if this is relevant, but when I checked windows for optional updates nvidia had an audio driver update for the graphics card in my laptop.

I will ring ADK today about this and see

I had the menu lag issue about six months ago. It was to do with plug ins that weren't properly installed in some way. So they were showing up in the plug in manager, but they weren't really there. It's a tricky one to sort out, this, but I bet that's your problem.

on a totally different subject, does anyone see what I mean regarding layers vs lanes on the videos? please share some light if I am blind.
And please watch both videos I'm trying my best to explain the differences I encounter from layers to lanes. I completely agree that lanes is good for comping, but layers was a completely different poney with many tricks, regardless of the messy/buggy layout, and not solely a tool for comping.