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2014/07/02 12:26:51
rcklln
John T
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there's no valid workaround. Working on multiple audio tracks and managing gain change, plugins, volume, automation on multiple tracks while you're trying out different ideas, I mean it would get crazy overwhelming



I can think of a really easy workaround. All the tracks you want to use as layers routed to a bus. All those tracks in a folder so you can mute and solo collectively. No effects and automation on the tracks, all effects and automation controlled from the buses. Just like lanes, only with more features (eg: panning of individual lanes, lane specific effects if you want them, etc).


+1 this is how I do it with some track templates to make it easier to setup
2014/07/02 12:47:58
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Anderton
wanna love X3
All valid Craig! but for only for COMPiNG, the oh-so-necessary but oh-so-brain-damaging-neuron-burning task all producers (me included) become OCD'ed from.

 
Much less so since X3...it's the fastest comping I've used, including Logic.
 
Have you seen my videos?

 
Yes. Did you read my articles? I think you would realize that Take Lanes can do tricks that go way beyond comping, like building up massed choral vocal parts and such.
 




I did! the x2 one talks about comping :) I could not read the second one from july 2014, it appeared blocked for some reasons.
 
2014/07/02 12:58:45
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Anderton
wanna love X3
I just needed to make sure you could not do in x3 what you could in 8.5, and there's no valid workaround. Working on multiple audio tracks and managing gain change, plugins, volume, automation on multiple tracks while you're trying out different ideas, I mean it would get crazy overwhelming



But there are plenty of workarounds. Just because there are volume, automation, plug-ins, etc. parameters does't mean you have to use them. You didn't use them in your video, you don't need to use them with tracks. And if you want to make a change on all the tracks at once, there's quick grouping. But you don't even have to do that.
 
If you want to process everything and automate everything, you can use a bus as described above. That's a super-simple option; you can also drag your finished tracks into Take Lanes. But based on your video, you're mostly playing around with creating a couple of tracks, not putting an entire song in layers.
 
Really, as mentioned above creating a track template where everything goes to a bus not only solves what you need to do, but offers more flexibility...in fact it might be faster to drag in a track template than create all those layers. And you can do comping, too 
 
Regardless, I am VERY glad you started this thread because the ideas contributed by others of having a "scratchpad" track template for doing "layers on steroids" is great, and one that I plan to use.
 




Watch my 2 new videos I just posted if you may (I removed the menu LAG ones, since the matter got solved by someone's suggestion to clean up my layout file from absenties)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZWlBZfvss
 
and
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBxp4zImwg


I had figured out the bus workaround (and more) this morning already working in folders. After 7 minutes of filming myself I came up with this bus routing option.
 
And to sum things up, it's not a good one!

Why? I briefly go over it in the video, but essentially : because it's exactly what it is, a workaround! And it's more and more things to think about when trying to get creative on different elements or tracks.

Let's say I want to be creative on many tracks like I usually do (I scratch pad on everything from synth to drums to intruments to vocal). That forces me to have one aux per element I want to fiddle with. I don't know if you can, but imagine the session bordello it would be, track management hell at its finest. It's not rare for me
to mess with 20-30 different tracks per project... who's going to have 20 or 30 aux just to audition the audio from EACH AND EVERY AUDIO TRACK through plugins...?

I tried the track template approach and saved a preset with a folder containing 6 empty audio tracks. Not only does it take a lot of time to load this template (4-5 seconds? empty tracks get added one by one?) but you can't save any sort of routing towards a bus that should also be saved if I was to save some time. you still have to manage and manage. Or create a project template with layers and layers and busses and busses. It should be an open, empty canvas where you have total freedom. Even to mess up. Like 8.5.


To me the creative flow is #1. I've done this long enough to know when it's flowing and fluid, and when it's not. If there's too many steps in the process, it kills instinct and ideas, period. It's not a matter of learning new ways (wich I have NO PROBLEM DOING, ever) it's the efficiency/fluidity of that particular way of doing things.

I give up, this workflow is just no good for me, it requires too much brain time when trying to be creative, I don't want to be an engineer when I'm creating. I want to be a kid.

thanx for all the suggestions though -


2014/07/02 13:24:13
Splat
Why doesn't this surprise me, anyway just keep using 8 if you don't want to learn a new product, I wouldn't bother posting any more until one you decide to take the plunge (if ever) as I would have thought this to be a waste of your time. BTW you can actually post direct youtube links here, I would look at the vids to be honest if they were clickable. All you need to do is paste the URL or embed in a hyperlink.
 
If you were actually using X3 I would probably spend a bit more time on this thread trying to engage to be honest.

Ta.
2014/07/02 13:46:45
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CakeAlexS
Why doesn't this surprise me, anyway just keep using 8 if you don't want to learn a new product, I wouldn't bother posting any more until one you decide to take the plunge (if ever) as I would have thought this to be a waste of your time. BTW you can actually post direct youtube links here, I would look at the vids to be honest if they were clickable. All you need to do is paste the URL or embed in a hyperlink.
 
If you were actually using X3 I would probably spend a bit more time on this thread trying to engage to be honest.

Ta.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZWlBZfvss
 
and
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBxp4zImwg
2014/07/02 13:55:56
Beepster
He's reached the 25 post mark so he can now post hyperlinks.
 
So can I...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGrkNu6mDg
2014/07/02 13:58:38
wanna love X3
Beepster
He's reached the 25 post mark so he can now post hyperlinks.
 
So can I...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGrkNu6mDg




LOL :) good one!
2014/07/02 14:02:48
Beepster
Well, at least you have a sense of humor. I can deal with that.
 
If I could help you I would but honestly all I can say at this point is (as have many others), spend the time learning the new tools and methods and I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
Cheers.
2014/07/02 14:43:10
wanna love X3
Beepster
Well, at least you have a sense of humor. I can deal with that.
 
If I could help you I would but honestly all I can say at this point is (as have many others), spend the time learning the new tools and methods and I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
Cheers.




You guys all helped really! I'm a pretty quick learner and I've tried the workarounds in x3. It's not about "practicing" or spending time with this, it won't get quicker with time! it's the way X3 is thought out and layed out. It's too rigid... ways of doing things are too "pre-defined" and correspond to "some dude's" idea of a workflow, or even a layout.

and it will slow me down! that I can tell.
 
I'm sure 8.5.3 was designed by william wallace... freeeeeddooommmm
2014/07/02 14:56:53
Splat
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