Beepster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGrkNu6mDg

Beepster, that cracked me the f up!
 
As for, Wanna love X3? Even if you're working with layers, eventually you have to take them and put them into tracks of their own so that you can mix them, right?
 
You are after all a *cough* professional, right?
 
Skip the middle man, bro...
 
PS: If I'm feeding a troll? I god damned meant to, alright?!!

@wanna love.... Well as I mentioned I didn't use pre X Sonar but have used older style products and although it threw me for a bit of a loop at first creatively I can write MUCH faster in X3 (X1 and X2 were a little lacking but still in many ways a little better than my old drudgery). It does indeed take some learning and a bit of bending to certain methods and constraints but in the long run it ends up being very fluid and allows me to do everything I need it to... which is probably much more than most users.
 
As a young man I had some anarchistic tendencies (and in many ways still do). However over time I have appreciated that if occasionally bending to the way and will of the world allows me even more freedom to pursue my goals than I would if I continued being staunch, idealistic, rigid and combative then it would be silly to shut myself off from said world and live in a kingdom of one.
 
The point is if it does me no real harm and offers me more possibilities for bending said world to my own viewpoint then the path is obvious.
 
It also beats having my balls smashed with a hammer in front of a screaming, slathering mob.
 
;-)

Anderton
 
...I am VERY glad you started this thread because the ideas contributed by others of having a "scratchpad" track template for doing "layers on steroids" is great, and one that I plan to use.
 

 
Have to admit when I read this technique high above I kind went: "Well DUH!". I mean in retrospect I never thought of it but it seems so obvious when you see. Hindsight 20/20 as they say.
 
+a lot
 
Regards, 

mmorgan

Anderton
 
...I am VERY glad you started this thread because the ideas contributed by others of having a "scratchpad" track template for doing "layers on steroids" is great, and one that I plan to use.
 

 
Have to admit when I read this technique high above I kind went: "Well DUH!". I mean in retrospect I never thought of it but it seems so obvious when you see. Hindsight 20/20 as they say.
 
+a lot
 
Regards, 

 
I am +1000-ing this post!
 
Do not deny the simple, yet beyond extremely effective tip, go unnoticed!!!

wanna love X3
I had figured out the bus workaround (and more) this morning already working in folders. After 7 minutes of filming myself I came up with this bus routing option.

And to sum things up, it's not a good one!

 
It sure isn't! In my articles about Take Lanes, they're pretty much all prefaced with "First, unlearn everything you know about layers." The reason why everything strikes you as a workaround is because you're trying to make X3 be 8.5, which it isn't, so you HAVE to do a workaround.
 
You don't have to manage anything with a track template with respect to sends. Just bring in the template, and ignore sends ever existed. You can even make them disappear if you don't want to be reminded they exist, and that can be part of the track template too. You can use auto-zoom to change all heights the same way, or not. You don't have to adjust the heights on tracks individually.
 
You are overthinking this and I don't think you understand X3 well enough to take advantage of the features that would speed up your workflow. Watching your video about using track folders in X3 is painful. I keep wanting to yell out "NO!! Don't do that - that workflow sucks!! Do this instead!!"
 
That doesn't mean you won't prefer 8.5, but I guarantee you will always prefer 8.5 if you don't learn how X3 works, and that won't happen in a week. I think it's safe to say that most people who are thoroughly familiar with the approaches taken in 8.5 and X3 on balance prefer X3. As I and others have said, the time lost learning X3 has been more than compensated for by the additional efficiencies.
 
 

What new users seem to forget when upgrading to the X is that how they did things in previous versions didn't happen instantly. It took time and the dedication to learn it. Most of us see that the X series has made the learning curve a little faster. But first we need to have an open mind about it.    

Anderton

wanna love X3
I had figured out the bus workaround (and more) this morning already working in folders. After 7 minutes of filming myself I came up with this bus routing option.

And to sum things up, it's not a good one!

 
It sure isn't! In my articles about Take Lanes, they're pretty much all prefaced with "First, unlearn everything you know about layers." The reason why everything strikes you as a workaround is because you're trying to make X3 be 8.5, which it isn't, so you HAVE to do a workaround.
 
You don't have to manage anything with a track template with respect to sends. Just bring in the template, and ignore sends ever existed. You can even make them disappear if you don't want to be reminded they exist, and that can be part of the track template too. You can use auto-zoom to change all heights the same way, or not. You don't have to adjust the heights on tracks individually.
 
You are overthinking this and I don't think you understand X3 well enough to take advantage of the features that would speed up your workflow. Watching your video about using track folders in X3 is painful. I keep wanting to yell out "NO!! Don't do that - that workflow sucks!! Do this instead!!"
 
That doesn't mean you won't prefer 8.5, but I guarantee you will always prefer 8.5 if you don't learn how X3 works, and that won't happen in a week. I think it's safe to say that most people who are thoroughly familiar with the approaches taken in 8.5 and X3 on balance prefer X3. As I and others have said, the time lost learning X3 has been more than compensated for by the additional efficiencies.
 
 

Ok!
Visually show me your workflow for something similar as my scratchpad idea.

Craig sells videos showing how he does things.  Just so you know. There are a bunch of videos for sale for the X Series. Lots of helpful stuff.
 
And who can forget the great Sonar Power books? I highly recommend reading them. They are full of great tricks.
 
Also, I have tried using the Sonar Power book on Safari Books Online which I have a subscription to, but I prefer to read them in the dead tree version (paper).

wanna love X3
Visually show me your workflow for something similar as my scratchpad idea.

I don't see what's so special about the workflow in your videos that hasn't already been addressed in my articles, my posts, and the posts of others. Nor do I want to spend the time to watch your videos repeatedly until I finally do figure out something that may or may not be unique about your approach, because I didn't see anything after one view. So I can only assume I would spend time on doing a video, and you would say "No! That's not what I mean!" because I sure don't see what you're doing that's different in any significant way from how I use X3 as a scratchpad.
 
I've already told you how to do what you want to do. I have a limited amount of time and would rather help those who already understand the workflow, as well as work on super-secret cool Cakewalk stuff that will benefit more than just one person.
 
Now, just so you don't go "See! You can't do it! Ha ha ha!," I reserve the right to run Camtasia sometime when I'm putting together a drum loop and you can see for yourself.
 
 

+1 on there being resources available to cover all of this.
 
I think the biggest and best resource available is an open mind.
 
Without a willingness to work with the X3 functionality, you will do nothing but struggle to try to bend it to how you want it to work.
 
Multiple people have posted essentially the same thoughts as I have above - invest time and effort into learning X3, and you will likely find it works well.
 
Or, don't.
 
Bob Bone