• SONAR
  • Zero latency? (p.5)
2014/07/24 17:03:40
Wouter Schijns
trying to fix my Sonar latency too....
Under Preferences/driver setting I saw the roundtrip latency, then reduced buffers + increased sample rate to 96k....got it down to 9.2ms....ok for mastering I read.
Then took free VOXENGO LATENCY DELAY plugin, set it to reduce 9.2ms....then by ear tweaked it to 9.15....
exported a song....sounds great to me now....will have to hear it back later to be sure.
 
on a multiple track project, one will have to freeze/bounce tracks, not too much VSTs as most add latency....there are zero latency plugins though....
 
hope this helps anyone....
 
greeting & wishing well to US from Europe
2014/07/24 17:45:02
Sanderxpander
Sonar has latency compensation built in. There is no need for such an extra plugin. In fact, if PDC works as expected on it, it will negate any change the plugin tries to make.
Moreover, we're talking here about latency during recording, that has nothing to do with any bouncing or rendering of tracks.
2014/07/24 18:21:32
Wouter Schijns
not an expert but guess the PDC button reduces the audio by the detected input latency into Sonar at the time (calculating it through set sample rate/buffers etc) and bypassing the effects bins.
It cannot read/fix a latency from a pedal, cable, amp or guitar.
So might be worth trying/tweaking and LISTEN to something like the Voxengo latency plugin.
2014/07/24 21:19:21
Blades

set it to reduce 9.2ms....then by ear tweaked it to 9.15

So - most humans can barely discern something like 4ms at best, but you can hear .05ms to tweak something? That's 0.0000025 seconds.  Really? 2.5/1,000,000 of a second?
 
Did I just read this wrong?  Or can I not do math?  Or was there a missing smiley in there somewhere?
2014/07/24 21:24:31
Splat
Sanderxpander
Sonar has latency compensation built in. There is no need for such an extra plugin.



+1
2014/07/25 02:20:00
Wouter Schijns
íf it would not be hearable, doubt Voxengo and others build a special knob to set them.
they are the size of single samples, I hear a change of 1 or 2 on direct A-B comparison through good headphones, but you'll have to focus listening to attack on guitars, vocals to hear it.
but you're right a couple m/s won't ruin anything.
2014/07/25 04:49:31
jrom
Hi
 
Just wanted to let you know, that since I posted this thread I have purchased a second hand mixer (Mackie 1202) and hooked it up to my interface. No more latency issues when recording overdubs! In addition inserting hardware delays/reverb for monitoring is so much easier.
 
I guess you knew that - maybe 
 
// Jan
2014/07/25 04:53:35
Sanderxpander
Wouter, just to make sure, you're saying you can set the plugin to adjust delay by single samples and you can hear a difference (on good headphones)?

Also, basically you're saying you're compensating for delay gained through using (e.g.) a digital fx pedal? If you gain delay before hitting the DAW's A/D you can just nudge the track. Assuming that you can even play in time with such a delay. A plugin like you're describing does nothing for the perceived latency while you're playing, which is what we're talking about here.
2014/07/25 20:02:06
The Maillard Reaction
 I just stumbled on this amazingly informative article about latency while shopping for a I/O box for my nephew. It's the kind of info that the magazines and most manufacturers seem to think more than their readers want to encounter. I consider it vital info for anyone that want to have fun while recording music, and the fact that someone has made such quality information available does a lot towards earning my interest in, confidence of, and enthusiasm for, a consideration of their products.
 
from: http://www.presonus.com/community/learn/the-truth-about-digital-audio-latency
2014/07/25 20:34:10
Anderton
We might get into trouble for reproducing copyrighted material...we can leave the link up, though.
 
BTW I know Wesley Smith (who wrote that), and she is extremely knowledgeable about a wide variety of tech topics.
 
[Edit] I just checked and it is copyrighted. Being from a nominal competitor, but also from people who happen to be friends, I need to remove the article itself but Mike is right that the article to which he links is very informative and well-written.
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