• SONAR
  • Key Change Within a Composition (p.2)
2014/07/21 16:22:31
Anderton
Sonar's Transpose function works fine with audio. Select the clip, then go Process > Transpose. Just make sure that "Transpose Audio" is checked, enter the desired amount of transposition in semitones, and choose the desired transposition algorithm (e.g., Radius Mix). This does offline processing, and the algorithm quality (by iZotope) is very good for reasonable transposition amounts.
2014/07/21 18:02:06
robert_e_bone
WOW - thankfully I put in a disclaimer for my earlier post.  I had NO idea that worked for audio.  I STILL should have known better - will try to avoid that in the future.
 
I am SOOOO sorry for any confusion that may have caused, 
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/07/21 19:30:15
mettelus
Hi Conrad, I want to confirm that the work around I posted (post #6 above) is not required. I just opened a stereo vocal track, split the second phrase out of it, and shifted it up by 5 semitones; and only that clip was affected, not the entire track. This can also be done to multiple selected clips.
 
Steps to transpose this way are:
1) Right click on the audio clip you want to transpose, and "Split..." on either end to isolate the phrase(s) to be transposed. CTRL-click will select multiple clips if desired.
2) Ensure only the clip(s) you wish to transpose are the only ones selected. Caveate: Once Process->Transpose is used, X3 remembers the transpose settings from one clip to the next, so if you cannot easily see multiple clips in the track view, is less confusing to process them one after the other.
3) Process->Transpose - I used "Transpose Audio," Type "Radius Mix-Advanced," and chose 5 semitones. (I chose phrase 2 and phrase 4 for a second test to confirm will process multiple clips as well, and worked fine.)
4) Verify the transposition is to your liking, if not undo (Ctrl-Z) and retry Step 3 as needed.
 
My apologies if I confused anyone with that workaround in Post #6! Again, it is not required.
 
@Bob - LOL... notice I didn't make a comment about that... my effort to be "politically correct"
 
Edit: As a funny aside... the "Amount" field accepts a -127 to +127 value (guess it is a byte), but will only process 24 semitones (still extreme, but now I can sing Alvin and the Chipmunks tunes! LOL).
2014/07/21 20:11:42
cpkoch
robert_e_bone
 I am SOOOO sorry for any confusion that may have caused, 
 Bob Bone
 

I suspect and hope hope you  are being sardonic; but, if not let me assure you that absolutely no confusion was encountered.  On the contrary, your post was very much appreciated.  Like a very wise man once asserted ... "Wisdom is a giant accumulation of 'DOH!'" 
2014/07/21 21:58:44
robert_e_bone
DOH!  :)
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/07/22 10:32:25
stevec
cpkoch
...Like a very wise man once asserted ... "Wisdom is a giant accumulation of 'DOH!'" 




I may have to use that line at some point in the future...  
 
2014/07/22 13:27:43
cpkoch
mettelus
Hi Conrad, I want to confirm that the work around I posted (post #6 above) is not required. I just opened a stereo vocal track, split the second phrase out of it, and shifted it up by 5 semitones; and only that clip was affected, not the entire track. This can also be done to multiple selected clips.
 

My Sonar X3 Producer system has been acting strangely.  
  • The time marker cursor that normally runs smoothly along the track  was doing a random stop and go routine.
  • The "right-hand" click to bring up Melodyne tools was very  very slow to respond
  • and a few other  idiosyncrasies were plaguing my work
In any event, I shut down the entire system and brought up the a'capella vocal piece I'm working on, "16 Tons ... In Blue" and tried once again to isolate clips.  Then "one at a time" I transposed them as you suggested Mike.  It worked!!!  Perhaps earlier attempts to do the transposition were ones for which I tried to transpose multiple clips at a time.  
 
By the way ... Thanks to you and  all who have posted on the matter!
2014/07/22 13:52:56
Anderton
You should be able to select and transpose multiple clips, I do it often. However, transposition is a processor-intensive operation so doing multiple long clips can take a while.
2014/07/22 15:54:04
cpkoch
I'll give it another go tonight!  Maybe it is just that my patience needs to be extended.  
2014/07/23 02:14:40
mettelus
cpkoch
Maybe it is just that my patience needs to be extended.  


Nah... you just dove into the deep end of the pool and have chosen some very aggressive goals for yourself. You are tackling a lot of new areas all at once and also enticed by all of the "goodies" technology provides.
 
I am of the camp that simplicity is truly elegant, and as time is the most important factor of life, simple carries even more weight. Including some feedback from other threads (song work) here, I would recommend focusing on your natural voice (as it is truly excellent), avoid "over-use" of Melodyne, and keep effects used to a minimum. When a singer has a great voice, the music takes "second fiddle" and vice versa. Melodyne has given you enticement on "playing with technology," but as stated in another thread, even harmonies in your range should be done with your natural voice. Use Melodyne sparingly, and if "excessive time" is invested in conducting major surgery, consider simply retaking the track (why invest 2 hours on surgery when a second take is 3-5 minutes?). Also, depending on proficiency with such tools (and knowing how they work best) such surgery may actually introduce negative results (reaffirming a comment from another thread here). Relying on such also removes "forcing yourself to improve"... and there is a big difference between the mindset of "Oh, Melodyne can fix that (at home)," and walking out the door to perform with nothing but your favorite dynamic mic in your pocket.
 
Bottom line, with a DAW tools abound, yet I would urge you to place focus on your natural voice and bring it to the fore of music you create.
 
Edit: Grammar
 
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