I'll check it out, thanks - since you're such a wiz thought I'd ask you this (which I posted elsewhere) - all of a sudden I'm having trouble in X2 with automation; I'm write enabled and read enabled, and it sees nodes if I draw them - but it does not record fader movements for volume - never had this problem before, but I can't seem to figure out why it is not recording my fader movements - I upgraded to X2 and problems I never had before! Anyway if you have a sec and you have a thought - thank you. Like I say I can draw nodes and those movements are recorded (the fader moves as well) - but when I move the fader it is not recorded - thanks.