thank you Brian, that's it! I had suspected something like that, but I wasn't going to go as far as a new project - I cloned a track with no change - but when I created a new project and pasted stuff in, it worked. Will be a pain with some large old projects, but at least I know the software is working. Thanks, man. And also to Gswitz, I saw about offset mode in a previous post but it didn't work, but I thank you for helping me figure it out. What a great community! Thanks again.