• SONAR
  • Audio input latency (p.2)
2014/07/05 17:35:35
robert_e_bone
I have no idea what the quality level is of the mics in that bundled deal.
 
My instinct tells me 'Run, Forest, run!', but I have nothing to base that on.
 
I did do a quick look and saw this review on the mics:
 
http://www.sonicsense.com/blog/reviews-and-tutorials/mxl-550-551-microphones-in-the-studio
 
Anyways, good luck with it all - the interface is quite popular, and it will definitely help your Sonar performance - hope the mics are good too.
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/07/06 01:36:12
GBO323
Thanks, Bob. Appreciate your assist here. My 2i4 bundle should arrive on Tuesday. Can't wait!
2014/07/07 12:04:46
shmuelyosef
Ditto on the microphones...the MXLs are decent enough kit for cheap, but if you check the Amazon prices for those, the bundle is no deal...they are very low cost. Also, neither of them is appropriate for karaoke handheld vocals. 
 
I have never regretted buying just the mic I need at the moment, and buying known quality. A great starter mic is an SM-58 from Shure....at $99, it will still be cheaper than the bundle if you buy the 2i4 standalone. 
2014/07/07 16:19:17
brconflict
To bring us back to the OP question, here's what I do.
 
Even though MOTU offers a limited, but VERY low latency monitor console, I still prefer to track, say, vocals through the Echo in Sonar.
 
The Echo latency is high when the buffers are set high, but also when plug-ins require compensation for their own processing delays. However, I wish to use compression when tracking sometimes. It allows a singer to force their vocals a little less sometimes, or just dig into the track a bit more, where timidity is a problem.
 
After lowering your buffers to 256 or less, click the PDC button to disable the plug-ins. See if this improves the Echo latency. If it does, uncheck that button and manually disable all the plug-ins you really don't need for tracking. Only enable the plug-ins you want to use to track.
 
Also, I've noticed at times, Sonar will intermittently exhibit far more echo delay feedback than other times. If I hear echo delay feedback, where I haven't heard it before, I can try a few things: Merely stopping the Audio engine (waveform button under the counter in the Control Bar), re-enable it. Or, I may disable the Echo button and re-nable that. Other times, I can stop the playback/record function and start over. I don't know what gets Sonar in this state, but it's still a problem I deal with regularly.
 
you may also try freezing all your other tracks, then click the PDC button.
 
A feature I've requested was to provide the Sonar user the ability to freeze the entire project with one click, so that you have a temporarily processed mix, and allow you to save your valuable CPU power and reduce latency by allowing your "armed" track(s) to use active plug-ins. This way, the rest of the mix plays like a single stereo track with no plug-ins. The only active plug-ins are on the track(s) you have armed to record. I don't know if that's even being considered, but I felt it was a good idea.
 
2014/07/07 23:10:26
Splat
Sorry not liking that bundle at all on Amazon. On my last post #2 I showed you a different bundle which is actually quite good if you want a moderately priced package deal...
 
 
Here is the Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Foc...ecording/dp/B00AW91CPG
 
If you want to spend more money get something like a Shure SM7B which is a good all rounder and pair it with a SM58 if you really need another mic. Or start off with just one of these mics.
2014/07/07 23:56:07
GBO323
Alex, I went with the bundle I linked because it came with the 2i4...I needed the extra outputs and MIDI ports. The Boom mic holders will also come in handy. The 2 mics will serve their purpose.
 
Of course, I will grow my selection of microphones over time and need. :)
2014/07/09 13:27:33
Splat
Cool - have fun !
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