• SONAR
  • Modern Plugins missing from Plugin Manager Default Layout
2014/06/26 00:10:47
mrbubs3
Hello y'all.  Longtime Sonar user, since the days of Guitar Tracks 2.  Recently upgraded from Sonar 8.5 Prod. to X3 Studio.  I am loving the improvement, but I am having some difficulty with a couple of plugins.
 
I've been a fan of Antress' Modern series plugins: .  I am a particular fan of the vacuumer plugin, and the Silver Series Compressor.  I mostly use the two for mixing drums, both individual and the submix.  They are, unfortunately, 32-bit, and I know that there isn't any native bitbridge support for non-Producer versions of Sonar X3.  I have bought jbridge, and it was a bit successful, but then I started having problems with some plugins disappearing.  I have did a full reset on my VST folders so that I could do full rescanning of my folders, and no such luck.  I even selected the subfolder for my VST folder to specifically target the Antress .dll files, and they still do not register in Cakewalk.
 
Is there a reason why the VSTs are not showing up?  Is there a glitch with Sonar?  This was not an issue with Producer 8.5.  Any insight would be appreciated.
 
I'm running a gateway GT5692 with Windows 7.
2014/06/26 00:32:36
scook
BitBidge is included with every version of X3, see the second line in the instrument section http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions. There is only one version of BitBridge so although I run 64bit X3 Producer on Win7, it should work the same in the other versions of X3.
 
Just downloaded the Antress FullPack4950.zip, unpacked the ModernPlugins4950.rar into  "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins\ModernPlugins4950", and ran SONAR. The plug-ins scanned fine. I then loaded a couple of the plug-ins into a test project and they seemed to work OK. I don't use jBridge so cannot offer any specific suggestions for using jBridge.
2014/07/02 00:43:25
mrbubs3
I did a work-around with JBridge, where the program processed the Antress VSTs, and then created wrapped-around .dll files.  That remedied the problem, but since the Modern and Silver editions for the Compressor and Equalizer have different coloring, and they couldn't be separated since they both have the same file name, I was a bit annoyed.
 
I went back to the plugin manager in Cakewalk, and I removed the jbridge-related file folder paths from the scanning directory.  I then resetted the database, and performed a full rescanning.  The Antress VSTs went missing again, and I wondered if this was due to them being potentially corrupted or otherwise affected.  So I deleted them from their folders, and X3 identified the 37 VSTs as missing.  I then unzipped the file again to their former file locations, and the background scan ran again.  The VSTs were not identified, and the total number of available VSTs remained the same.
 
I repeated this process again, and deleting the files registers in Sonar.  It just doesn't add them to the database.  So they're acknowledged, but not added.  But when they're deleted, the deletion is recognized.  The total number of available VSTs remains the same.  

To think, I only have about 150.
2014/07/02 02:44:30
KPerry
Are any entries for them appearing in the registry (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST X64\Inventory)?  Sometimes, I've found that some settings don't get set properly and need to be over-ridden for them to appear.
2014/07/02 12:42:30
Kylotan
I have sometimes found with 8.5 that certain plugins just don't show up at all in the 64 bit Sonar environment. eg. Flux Bittersweet. Maybe this is continuing with X3. I would love to know what makes most 32-bit plugins eligible for BitBridging and yet some just don't show up at all.
2014/07/02 13:41:09
mrbubs3
KPerry
Are any entries for them appearing in the registry (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST X64\Inventory)?  Sometimes, I've found that some settings don't get set properly and need to be over-ridden for them to appear.




They are showing up in the registry.  I'm thinking of deleting them, then re-running the VST scanning software.
 
Kylotan
I have sometimes found with 8.5 that certain plugins just don't show up at all in the 64 bit Sonar environment. eg. Flux Bittersweet. Maybe this is continuing with X3. I would love to know what makes most 32-bit plugins eligible for BitBridging and yet some just don't show up at all.




I've noticed this in the past, as well!  I would normally install the x86 version of the software so that all the plugins would show up.  I was hoping that it'd no longer be a requirement to get everything to work.
2014/07/02 13:46:09
scook
mrbubs3
 I'm thinking of deleting them, then re-running the VST scanning software.

This is what the Reset button does in Preferences > File > VST Settings "Scan Options"
 
2014/07/02 13:58:07
mrbubs3
scook
mrbubs3
 I'm thinking of deleting them, then re-running the VST scanning software.

This is what the Reset button does in Preferences > File > VST Settings "Scan Options"
 


I meant actually deleting them via windows explorer, not deleting the registration of the VSTs.
2014/07/02 14:01:45
mrbubs3
Okay, so I deleted the modern plugin entries from (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Studio\Cakewalk VST X64\Inventory), and then ran X3.  The background scan specifically registered those VSTs, but the summary report stated: 0 added, 0 missing.
 
I checked the Bitbridge Server Configuration Settings tab in Preferences, and Server 1 lists 0.00mb of RAM being used.  When checking windows processes in Task Manager, bitbridge.exe is not running.  When I run it manually from the Shared Utilities folder, the process shows up, but nothing happens.  So at this point, is it a bitbridge issue?
 
Note: in cakewalk's Plugin Manager, I've set folder defaults to uncheck the "load using JBridge wrapper" option.  So at this point, native Bitbridge should be the only thing being used for bridging 32-bit plugins.
2014/07/02 14:03:59
scook
BitBridge only starts up when a 32bit plug-in is loaded into a project.
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