John
The first thing I do when I get an update no matter what the software is is read first the readme file

So YOU'RE the guy who reads the Read Me files!! I always wanted to meet you. The companies I wrote manuals for always suspected that somewhere, someone actually read the documentation...that was you! And you're right here on this very forum! Cool!!!

Anderton

John
The first thing I do when I get an update no matter what the software is is read first the readme file

So YOU'RE the guy who reads the Read Me files!! I always wanted to meet you. The companies I wrote manuals for always suspected that somewhere, someone actually read the documentation...that was you! And you're right here on this very forum! Cool!!!

That was downright funny! Yes I'm that guy. 

yorolpal
Have you ever considered just ignoring what's on the internet, laying off of the pot for a day or two and taking a good nap?

:-)

I agree Craig, and that's the way I usually do things in a similar way (although I use my laptop to try out new versions). The problem I indicated earlier is precisely with workarounds; they are usually not based on intended use of the program but rather a way to get somewhere that results from the way several parts of the program happen to work together. These are some of the first things that "break" in new versions. All I'm saying is I understand the frustration. Obviously there are precautions to take. But still, a feeling of "why!?" Is hard to ignore when you've been working comfortably and only wanted some unrelated new features.

yorolpal
Have you ever considered just ignoring what's on the internet, laying off of the pot for a day or two and taking a good nap?

 
That is the very belittling or slander, I mention in my post...If I do not get things Your way..or believing what you believe....Then I am a pot head, or I need to rest my mind?....Surely learning does not happen when one is asleep .
Nor does one have full control of their faculty when under the influence of Harsh Drugs, or booze....And although many in the industry use those kind of things....I like to have a cup of drink, to make the bullshush go down I see in the world....No need for the internet or tv....I let these things into my home to do work...I am not allowed by law to do...And then the cash cow comes out...as what they fix, is never right, and to make it so , cost more!
 
That is what I need to take a break from...People claiming they are Pro's at this or that...but cannot put up the product as such.
 
If you look into a new home these days...it looks nice...but you price the materials used in that build, and then do the math with a good old pencil and paper....They use the cheapest crap to finish the job, under budget...To capitalize on Profits made.!!!
 
It is not about the love of the craft with many...but Not all...It is about the Money per say?...Well that is not Putting Pride into the equation is it?...the pride of workmanship...has nothing to do with that conceptual ideal of Money!
 
Here is my understanding of Murphy's Law.
 
If you put in a false measure into and or over what you do...in anything...A error...a misconception...a non vital entity of spirit....which goes against the natural order of Perfection....You will never gain that conceptual state....And what is done for it, will not last..
 
It is kind of biblical in nature....So...if ...and the word "IF" is used under normal wold meaning....IF MONEY IS A LIE...and it is....Then making things for it Proves what it does when things are put under it....They either do not function perfectly...Nor does the work ethic stand as Pride or perfection....As these things cannot be part of Error.
 
Now listen to the market...and what is on the money as a set value.?..does the engraved image of that value ..stand as the true value of that Measure?....No...according to some markets, the value is not dictated by the engraved amount...it is dictated by the market or banks.....So in essence the Money Lies!....Now if one puts lies over everything they do, and they believe in it, that they must get it, and make profits....What becomes of that state?...flaw!
 
In numbers...)0( is a even number?...1 Is odd...and each number following has this kind of set path...zero is even, one is odd, 2 is even, three is odd....etc
The cpu in most computers, has a processor that does math to calculate to the nth degree a number...The makers of the cpu acknowledge a error in the accounting of numbers into the x decimal place....So you see, the error is built in...the answers are not perfect in so much as to say...it is....would be another lie!
It can never be 100% right!...ever!
 
That is just a little Truth....No matter how much Pot I smoke...If any...I like the drink of more Juice...Some like the pot, some like the booze....I know some who do both....and some who do none....I do not judge them on what they like to do for their enjoyment in life, to escape the Bullshush of the world we live in, under certain confines of being Good...It certainly beats suicide, insane asylums, or worse Death!
 
But we got them also....wonder why?...So thanks Yorolpal for putting up more muse for me to say more of nothing important...As this post is surely a place for it.....Right?...Professionals do not exist under error...Is all I am saying!...and here in Montreal Quebec, the hazards of just walking on the roads, could be the last thing you do....Mostly because of corruption in the system...hiring licensed Mobsters to build the city or ruin....Things falling off of over passes, and sink holes on city streets, not to mention the pot holes....Interest meets Truth in odd ways...of Gubberment with their hands in the Pot luck of the pit of error it seems here in my reality....But let us turn a blind eye to that imperfect state?....Well how the profession is, of being professional if one always turns a blind eye to what is right in front of them to see?...and do nothing or say nothing..so it is left undone right...surely speaks volumes of some...eh?
 
 
Just making a point about Professional work?...surely not....is not a reality Yet in most things!.

I wonder if this is simply a Google Translate problem.

Could be sander x pander?...Then again google, face book, and other things tied to the Computers through a connection to it, is tied to other things NSAish, or secret spying eyes!....So who knows what is righteously Safe info...to learn from?...Again they are always rewriting something, or remaking it....most probably to cover up the truth or lies done, to fabricate...So the conceptual truth of, or the lies used remains hidden, or very well protected by weapons of mass destruction?...Surely!...and time goes on...still not right I say....perhaps Professionals are necessary but lacking the right tools, to fix it....or the right understanding or measure...perhaps?
  

So we're all in agreement then on what the definition of "professional" is?
 
Glad we cleared that up. Well done, lads. ;-p

I think defining the term "professional" relates to the Supreme Court's ruling on p*rn, which was basically "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it." 

It is pretty much subjective, isn't it. I've never claimed to be a professional musician, though I once was. I got paid for making music and was pretty good though I never achieved fame and fortune. I decided on a different path, to marry and settle in to a traditional family role. Maybe I could have done this with music, some of my friends did but they mostly went into radio to earn a living while still playing. Not many really hit is big in music and some who do get used and ripped off. When I think of musicians getting ripped off I always think of the guy who wrote "The Gambler". I don't remember the details but from what I do remember, he got very little from the song but the record company an Kenny Rogers made insane amounts of money off it. I know it was legal but I'll never be convinced that it was morally right, to my way of thinking.. when they started to make that kind of money off the guy's song, they should have given the writer more, a lot more. If it were me, it would have been on my mind every day and every night until I made it right.
Anyway, I became a contented amateur. I am happy with it.
 
Some of this reminds me of a tagline on a Far Side cartoon I once saw.... "I only said I was a doctor, I never said I was a good doctor". One person's professional is another person's amateur and vice versa because words mean different things to different people, except for Steve of course... .
For instance I am a professional, just not in the field of music or recording. I am a professional exterminator. Like this question, in the OP, people call me with questions I cannot answer. Last week a lady called me with the question that I usually consider to be a "red flag". She had a problem with millipedes. However, she included "the question/comment" : "I want to know if the chemicals you use are toxic because we have pets". I don't understand how anyone could ask that. Everything is toxic if it is overused or misused, heck water is toxic if you breathe it or even if you drink too much of it. Table salt is more toxic than most pesticides or herbicides. How in the world am I to be expected to control a pest/bug problem if I use something that is not toxic? What IS nontoxic?? Does she think I am going to bring some sort of lift device to pick her house up, crawl under the slab and remove all the millipedes by hand?? No.. it is just a matter of not thinking or perhaps ignorance, of making invalid assumptions. The same sort of thing applies to the question of "are you a professional?"
 
I'd say you are a professional if you charge for your work and get paid. You may not be a good professional and if you aren't, you aren't likely to get repeat customers. I know of doctors (and exterminators) who are professionals but they are not good professionals. They somehow manage to stay in business through advertising and cheaper prices but they have a poor reputation among their peers. A knife is a knife but not all knives are sharp and the dull knives are the ones most likely to cut you.
 
I could see a valid argument that Dr. Dre and all his "Beats" stuff is professional but so is Shure and AGK, in my opinion the latter is better. I think I read it in another thread on this forum. It was a thread about mixing for different mediums. someone (I wish I could remember who) who said that they were always willing to mix to suit a client's wishes, for a song to sound good with these or those monitors or phones, good in a car, etc... but they drew the line at mixing to sound good in Beats headphones... still, Beats phones are very popular and would have to be considered a pro consumer line, if not useful to a professional engineer. Still they are so widely used would it be folly to dismiss them? IDK. It is still completely subjective.
 
Anyone can say anything. If enough people believe it, it gains power if not truth. My chiropractor calls himself a doctor. His daughter works with him, she also used the title "doctor". They consider themselves to be doctors, I consider them to be chiropractors. My cardiologist and internal medicine doctor are, IMO, doctors. Barbers were once dentists... I would not want one working on my teeth but I bet they considered themselves to be professionals and maybe they were, I wasn't there.
 
So... IMO, if you make money doing it, you are a professional. You may or may not be a "good" professional. My wife is a CPA. She is a good CPA, she passed all 4 parts of the CPA exam on her first try, about 2% of people do that... so yeah, she is good. She is also by definition a professional accountant but she is regularly called on to fix things that other professionals have made a mess of. I have seen her, without skirting the tax law, change people from paying over 30K in income taxes a year to getting back near 20K... she is a good professional... and I am a blessed man because of her.
 
There is no definitive answer to the question in the OP other than if you earn money at it you can lay claim to being a pro, others may not agree and you will develop a reputation in any case. It will be good or bad. Maybe the question should be are you 'good at what you do' or 'do you just get by' or 'do you really have no clue, you just like what you are trying to do and having fun'.
 
You can be a professional! Buy the equipment and a business license and voila! You are a professional. At least you can lay claim to the title and the claim is valid, you may or may not be a good professional. 
But, what do I know? Not much.
 
J