Paul P
Thanks for this !

I think the link should be removed. There is a ton of spyware on this site (my antivirus went off like a fairy cake) and the link is unofficial.
 
Cheers....

The way to obtain Audition is to google adobe cs2 download. You should be given a link to a page on adobe.com (make sure you ignore links to other sites). You then to log in (you will of course need to register first). All the CS2 products are there inc Photoshop and Illustrator.
 
Cheers..
 
 

CakeAlexS
 
I think the link should be removed. There is a ton of spyware on this site (my antivirus went off like a fairy cake) and the link is unofficial.
 

Ok, I deleted my message.  Fwiw, Adobe says (even though CS2 is freely available on their site) that the software :
 
may only be used by customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products
 
 

Audition was completely rebuilt with version 4 (iirc... Came with CS5.5). MIDI was dropped, but the audio engine was redone. If you search for "OEM" copies, these are legitimate copies purchased in bulk by computer manufacturers and many are still available. Do not get the CC version, as the price structure went to pay by month. CS6 was the last version you buy and own outright, and the OEM version of the suite itself is a great deal... but can also by the programs separately. If you want Audition, I would recommend looking into this route. I have Audition loaded into my X3 utilities menu and destructively remove noise with it often (is actually very quick).

I spent most of last night "playing" with my newly working tool copy. If you follow my latest project is a Bluegrass/ acoustic album and Banjo on most songs.. The Banjo can spike out real easily so it's hard to bring it up with out overs. 
So I was stuck with Sonars tedious volume envelopes, Tried a few compressors but they are not fast enough, even the LP 64 lets overs through. 
 
But last night now i have the tool menu working I was in peak editing hog heaven. 
Got them all done in no time and now the banjo can come up in the mix properly. 
I started out trying Sound Forge but quickly returned to using Wave Lab. 
Wave Lab is more intuitive and requires fewer mouse clicks. One feature that really shines is the processing tools stay open. In Sound Forge the dialog box closes after you use it requiring 4 or more mouse clicks to get it back,,, that adds up.  This is the same problem in Sonar. 
This demo version of SF 11 pro doesn't come with the good plug ins they list on the web site. :(
 I guess they would be too easy to steal. 
I just downloaded the studio version to try too. 
 
Anyhow this brings us full circle back to the OP's topic. My workflow will now defiantly be using the tools menu to polish up tracks. It makes it possible to work using both of my all time favorite programs, Cakewalk and Wave Lab. Note that both these applications cost just shy or $100 each, that's a powerful set of tools for $200.  
 

Paul P
Ok, I deleted my message.  Fwiw, Adobe says (even though CS2 is freely available on their site) that the software :
 
may only be used by customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products

Thanks. I have a legit CS2 license and never bothered to upgrade. I'm never going to rent software so I will probably keep holding onto it.

There are various debates as to what this actually means legally. Most seem to agree this is in effect a giveaway and you can legally own it. And of course some disagree, and Adobe stays out of it without comment... Silence says a thousand words in my book.

Thanks for the interesting thread guys. It took a bit of a left turn but there is much valuable knowledge here. I still need to hammer out a decent workflow but I think I just need to brush up on the automation section of the manual, roll up my sleeves and develop a style.
 
Cheers.

Beepster
I think I just need to brush up on the automation section of the manual, roll up my sleeves and develop a style.

Agreed. Some like to draw them or write them with a control surface or faders. Some don't use automation at all preferring destructive approaches. I don't mind using a mouse and adding nodes where needed. Zooming can get very accurate results. If the tracks are the same, copy and paste can reproduce track automation.

scook

Beepster
I think I just need to brush up on the automation section of the manual, roll up my sleeves and develop a style.

Agreed. Some like to draw them or write them with a control surface or faders. Some don't use automation at all preferring destructive approaches. I don't mind using a mouse and adding nodes where needed. Zooming can get very accurate results. If the tracks are the same, copy and paste can reproduce track automation.

Yeah, I think I was just feeling a little intimidated by it yesterday but I've always managed to slog through things if I pay attention. Yesterday after I posted this I was FLYING through some pretty intricate comping/stitching like I had been doing it for years but really it was only my second true comping session. Gave me back a bit of confidence.
 
Still ended up producing an interesting thread. Some good insights to other software and although I'm not sure how exactly I'd employ that Tool Copy feature at the moment it's intriguing. I never would have heard of it otherwise unless I managed to clown my way through the entire manual (which I should actual get on at some point... ugh).
 
Cheers, guys.

Beepster
 
Still ended up producing an interesting thread. Some good insights to other software and although I'm not sure how exactly I'd employ that Tool Copy feature at the moment it's intriguing. I never would have heard of it otherwise unless I managed to clown my way through the entire manual (which I should actual get on at some point... ugh).
 

If you even want to mess with shuttling clips to an editor there are several free options such as Wavosaur and Wave Shop which are easy installs (i.e. simple unzip into a folder, no special windows installer, libraries or registry changes). Adding them to SONAR is a simple registry edit. I can provide the .reg file if necessary.