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2014/06/14 05:26:30
BJN
I agree, some of the Audiophile snake oil encroaches upon Pro Audio users as you have cited.
There is plenty of marketing hype all competing for Prosumer dollars.  
 
The Meyer-Moran research findings rationalized their preference. Interesting.
 
As it is subjective it doesn't really matter then at what you record at so long as as take proper care to get good results.
As I read once, at 44.1khz you don't need to use dither noise to render a higher rez mix.  
You can have bigger and more creative mixes than having CPU being taxed at higher rez.
 
 
 
 
 
2014/06/14 07:05:15
The Maillard Reaction
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2014/06/14 07:38:16
gswitz
Cool, Mike. This basically confirms my earlier assertion that you can record those sounds above the audible range. This defends Amp Simulators including sound above 20kHz.
 
Am I drawing the correct conclusion from your post?
2014/06/14 07:55:09
The Maillard Reaction
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2014/06/14 08:14:11
The Maillard Reaction
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2014/06/14 21:25:04
BJN
A guitar amp and cabinet attenuates higher frequencies way below what even standard 44.1 can capture.
 
An Amp Simulation isn't true if it is generating content above that of an actual Amp and cabinet.
Most likely you would attenuate it in the mix anyway and probably why some claim digital Amp Sims have an annoying fizz in them.
 
There are arguments for both sides.
 
Something needs to be codified.
 
 
 
 
2014/06/14 22:07:51
DeeringAmps
You know what I draw from all this?
Properly designed synths and FX work just fine at 44.1k and 48k.
Audio is captured just fine as well.
Poorly designed software might benefit running at 96k.
IF YOU hear a difference in YOUR recordings at 96k, by all means rock on baby!
Its a free country, you are free to purchase all the horse power and storage you'll need.
Jim and Scott will be more than happy to set you right up!
I will happily run, and store, TWICE as many tracks, effects, synth's etcetera, etcetera, etcetra.
 
Tom
2014/06/14 22:35:42
drewfx1
BJN
A guitar amp and cabinet attenuates higher frequencies way below what even standard 44.1 can capture.
 
An Amp Simulation isn't true if it is generating content above that of an actual Amp and cabinet.
Most likely you would attenuate it in the mix anyway and probably why some claim digital Amp Sims have an annoying fizz in them.
 
There are arguments for both sides.
 
Something needs to be codified.




The problem is that in the process of simulating the amp distortion, frequencies higher than the Nyquist frequency are generated which causes aliasing (imaging).
 
Now the simulator indeed wants to filter out the higher frequencies before its output, but the aliased frequencies have already folded back and become lower frequencies that then can't be filtered.
 
So you need to process things at a high enough rate so that you can filter out the higher frequencies before they alias at an audible level. 
2014/06/15 00:00:36
Anderton
BJN
The Meyer-Moran research findings rationalized their preference. Interesting.



I don't think it was a question of rationalization, the hi-def releases had been re-done from original content for that purpose so they really were better in some ways (e.g., less squashing) than the CD releases.
2014/06/15 08:38:57
The Maillard Reaction
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