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2014/06/21 09:46:28
Splat
Damn it Craig that's what I wrote :).
2014/06/21 10:55:04
lawp
Teal
Anderton,
The page lists what is included, not what isn't.  For instance it doesnt tell you that its missing the demo projects (i think).  And it only lists like ten things it has of the thousands of actual features. 
 
Let me know if you ever need me to pee in your cornflakes again.
 
Scook-
Thanks, I see the 2 cakewalk fx in my list of VSTs now.


you're mad
2014/06/21 11:24:35
Beepster
Anderton
 I'm generally an impatient person,




Unless that's a typo that statement is, IMO, completely untrue. I've seen you take the time to thoroughly and fairly respond to people who have exasperated even the most tolerant and helpful of us here on the forum... even if the poster is an obvious troll.
 
I am getting a little concerned that perhaps in your efforts over the past 6 months you may be getting a little burned out by some of the sillier and more argumentative posters. Hope they don't end up turning you off participating as much (as has happened with quite a few extremely helpful regulars). A large percentage of your posts lead me to ideas and concepts I would not have stumbled across/thought of on my own even if sometimes they are indirectly related or completely abstract from the original point.
 
It's like having a highly skilled brainstorming partner sitting in my little studio. Add the rest of the forum and it's like a whole team of specialized pros and geniuses propping up my endeavors.
 
And now back to annoying meatworld stuff. Cheers.
2014/06/21 11:35:42
mmorgan
I've always found it difficult to find missing items when I don't know what it is I may not have. 
 
Regards,
2014/06/21 12:51:21
Anderton
Beepster
Anderton
 I'm generally an impatient person,




Unless that's a typo that statement is, IMO, completely untrue. I've seen you take the time to thoroughly and fairly respond to people who have exasperated even the most tolerant and helpful of us here on the forum... even if the poster is an obvious troll.

 
Okay, correction...I'm very patient with people if my sense is that they're sincere and genuinely having a hard time. Sonar is a complex program and I understand that some people get in over their heads. 
 
However, I do get impatient with people who strike me as selfish or rude. I asked Teal politely to consider searching for answers as he can then draw on fully mature threads rather than waiting for people to answer, and he paid no attention. In a different thread I again suggested using search, and again, no response or acknowledgement. So then I got snarky about maybe his next thread be "how do I use a search engine?" That got his attention.
 
At one point last night he had started 7 of the first 20 threads. Most forums that aren't as tolerant would have given him a temp ban or at least a warning for flooding.
 
I'm sure he's not a bad person who goes around setting fire to stray kittens or whatever, but I do think he may not think through the consequences of his actions. It rubbed me the wrong way that he mentioned how valuable his time is, because coming in here and asking trivial questions whose answers could be found in 30 seconds on Google indicates, at least to me, a lack of respect of the value of other peoples' time. I also get tired of the "SONAR DOESN'T [insert function here]!! SERIOUS BUG!!!" when it's pilot error. Then when he interpreted my explaining why i didn't have an answer to his question and he said it was cranky old man stuff and got into a tirade about 32nd notes, and also mentioned some non-sensical phrase about peeing in cornflakes, it's like forget it...this guy isn't worth my time.
 
I don't think he's a troll, despite his constant comments about Samplitude. Samplitude is a fine program; I even testified in court on the manufacturer's behalf once when they were being sued for what I felt was a ridiculous reason where there was prior art up the wazoo. However IMHO Sonar is a "sleeker" program, and i can see why Sonar would appeal to a Samplitude user. 
 
I am getting a little concerned that perhaps in your efforts over the past 6 months you may be getting a little burned out by some of the sillier and more argumentative posters. Hope they don't end up turning you off participating as much (as has happened with quite a few extremely helpful regulars).

 
No way that's going to happen. This forum is predominantly really great people and if I was independently wealthy, there are dozens of people here (maybe even hundreds, come to think of it) who I'd like to give plane fare so they could come to a Sonar user's party. But also, the more I participate the more protective I become of the community. I get upset if I feel someone is taking advantage of the community's kindness.
 
I've been running forums for a long time, and people who want to "tweak the tail of the dragon" go with the territory. I'm quite capable of dealing with them. When I get into long responses to them, it's not for their benefit; their minds are made up, and they will make up statements that were never made, twist quotes around, and make up arguments that never existed because it's easier to win an argument where you invent both sides. I do this so that the community can see how this person's thought processes work, and so other members realize they needn't spend any time trying to help someone who doesn't deserve it. It also provides a basis for why I would ban someone, although I have never done that here because this is Cakewalk's forum, not mine. I am an invited guest and I respect my hosts. And again, I am posting here as me. My opinions do not represent Cakewalk's or Gibson's.
 
I don't take these people seriously, and I'm sure many of them think they're scoring oh-so-clever-points without realizing they're perceived as fools who provide a rich source of humor. But there are also some definitely weird things going on. I'm an editor and i recognize writing styles. There are some "people" who've posted highly negative things about Sonar where the writing style changes several posts in. There was one time it seemed to transition from someone for whom English was not their native language to someone whose native language is English. I check IP addresses but with dynamic IPs, it's getting very hard to make connections among stylistically similar posters.
 
 
2014/06/21 12:57:14
lawp
you're mad as well
2014/06/21 13:33:04
Splat
If you ain't mad you ain't no musician! :)
2014/06/21 14:05:59
lawp
tsunami!
2014/06/21 14:20:58
Beepster
Sorry. Didn't mean to stoke the fires there. I've actually been off for a few days dealing with medical nonsense but now see this fellow has been quite active lately and didn't realize there was a history developing.
 
I had typed up a long analysis about the permissive moderation, the prevalence of "concern" trolling here and a general rant about free speech in  America vs. Canada (and how none of that applies to privately operated forums) and deleted it but I agree...
 
As a long time internet joker who normally appreciates a good trolling it saddens me to see it happen here. Really, you gotta be a pretty lame troll to pick this place to dredge.
 
Anyway... I'd ask the Bakers if they mind you wielding the banhammer a little more fiercely. I don't think anyone that actually uses this place for its intended purposes would be put out by your decisions in that regards.
 
JMO
2014/06/21 15:13:07
John
Interesting to say the least. Beep I was thinking along the same lines as you. I haven't made up my mind about Teal yet but I view it as an opportunity to repost things that others may not remember or know. 
 
I also see where Graig is coming from, especially after his response to you. I see his point clearly. I feel as he does about this forum.
 
None the less I am not all that concerned about Teal. I believe that this forum can handle him without help.  
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