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2014/01/04 11:35:03
Anderton
zblip
Thanks Mr Anderton! BTW, since you are in the loop, any chances of having better video handling in Sonar in the near future?



First of all although I am "more in the loop" than before, I don't speak for Cakewalk and don't keep track of all future plans. That said, I'm not sure what you mean by "better video handling." If you mean Sonar becoming like Sony Vegas, I doubt it...any more than Sony Vegas is going to become a full-fledged DAW. I just don't think the current state of the art allows for a single program to incorporate two extremely complex/demanding functions.
 
However in terms of import/export and basic video handling, X3d took a huge step forward by changing the underlying engine for handling video. This is a bit like going from 32 to 64-bit in the sense that there are some growing pains, but Sonar is now basically set up for more flexibility and easier video development going forward, and can handle more video types more seamlessly at present.
2014/01/04 11:39:58
Splat
Sonically Sonar is no different to Pro Tools. It's your hardware that matters. The work flow isn't that different either. A DAW is a DAW really, quite boring and they all more or less do the same thing, just with different flavours. Decide what is best for you.
2014/01/04 12:07:40
Lynn
Ask this question in the Songs forum and you'll soon hear your answer!
2014/01/04 12:12:40
Splat
Lynn
Ask this question in the Songs forum and you'll soon hear your answer!




That's the definitive answer, I can't imagine a better one...
2014/01/04 12:13:01
zblip
Thanks this is good news since I'm looking forward to using Sonar for scoring to picture.I Love Sonar's music creation tools but the video short comings is presently a show stopper for me and I have to use Pro Tools for this reason.
 
In Pro Tools (as you probably know):
 
Video is shown as an clip on a track just like audio
 
You can have mulitple video tracks (good for working with different video version of a project)
 
You can have multiple video clips on the same track (good for producing multiple music to picture events in one single project)
 
You can cut, paste, stretch out, crop, drag, glue, append, heal, move up or down, nudge split snap and then some the video track
 
You can even change the video edit by cutting or adding in shots and entire scenes in a video and then bounce flawlessly to this new created video... (I've done this often for clients who had timing problems in their video, cutting or adding time to a scene etc and have the video shop replicate what I did on the online video.)
 
Handling video isn't just the capacity to play video alongside audio. In the real world of doing publicity, movie scoring, sound design for video games etc one has got to rely on a more versatile and evolved video app. I was head sound designer for Ubisofts Batman revenge and we were receiving tones of clips, sometimes one second long, clips we had to loop for the purpose doing ambiance loops, many scenes in one single clip, that we had to cut in different individual clips etc etc... 
Never would I have been able to do this inside the present form of Sonar's video app. 
 
Do you agree with what I'm saying?
2014/01/04 12:29:12
Lynn
Well, that really wasn't what your question was about.  If you wanted to know if Sonar can handle video, you should have asked.  To do what you want, most people use Sony Vegas in conjunction with Sonar.  As with Sonar, there are several versions at different price levels to match your needs.  Still, if you go to the Songs forum, you'll find people there using Sonar and Vegas together to make good quality videos.  That's how I make my vids.  If you really can't live without PT, then check their site out.  
2014/01/04 12:40:48
Beepster
I don't think you're gonna be able to do all THAT with new video improvements. It looks to be mostly the same set up but using a different engine so it won't be as quirky. I may be mistaken on that but what you are looking for is more in the Nuendo level and that stuff is very expensive. Your best bet is to make sure the video has already been edited to how it's going to be released and do your score based on that.
 
That is indeed a very different question than your OP though.
2014/01/04 12:41:58
zblip
Lynn
Well, that really wasn't what your question was about.  If you wanted to know if Sonar can handle video, you should have asked.  To do what you want, most people use Sony Vegas in conjunction with Sonar.  As with Sonar, there are several versions at different price levels to match your needs.  Still, if you go to the Songs forum, you'll find people there using Sonar and Vegas together to make good quality videos.  That's how I make my vids.  If you really can't live without PT, then check their site out.  


 LOL you are right! Sorry I started out with one topic and drifted into another one sorry. :) My first topic is officially closedas for the 2nd (video) it has been an ongoing issue for me regarding Sonar..
2014/01/04 12:48:38
Beepster
And doesn't the really high end video options in PT require some kind of expansion purchase or the top tier version of the software? Those are the types of features that tack on the extra $1000 or so to the purchase price.
 
2014/01/04 12:49:48
mettelus
When I see questions like the OP it always brings to mind what Beepster mentioned... the user skill. Much of the "pro" is "proficiency" and I have seen many novice guitarists invest huge dollars in a new guitar thinking that makes them better... it does not, and never will. It is the proficiency of the user that makes the difference. Hand a proficient player a cheap perfectly tuned guitar and they make sweet music... and hand the novice a $5000 guitar and it sounds like crap.
 
Lynn's point is on the money... SONAR is not focused on video production, it is on music... it accommodates certain workflows, but that is not its focus. There are a lot of folks who have mentioned the video workflows they use, and some have even posted tutorials on this.
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