excuse the typo.  I meant to say ability.  Mark, I know you gave up early on X3D but it allows you to trim in and out points of video now.

OK, my 2 cents worth, there is Pro Tools and then there is Pro Tools HD, and it is my opinion that they are not even as close to each other as SONAR Producer and Pro Tools HD are close to each other.
 Weighing in as an ex Pro Tools refugee turned SONAR+ Vegas type of guy myself, I’d have to honestly say that I find SONAR as been  consistently ahead of Pro Tools in technical advancements and out of the box tools, and enough right out of the box pro grade tools provided to take my projects as close to completion as any DAW out there can get. I could be wrong, but I think Sound Forge is better suited for mastering.
  I don’t believe any current version of Pro Tools MIDI support is as good as Cakewalk Pro Audio MIDI support was, never mind comparing it to SONAR’s. It was only a year or so ago Pro Tools started to support loops, and FINALLY the new Pro Tools 11 became of x64 bit age, yea.. Unfortunately it can’t run 32 bit plugins, boo… SONAR was capable of doing that, since what v5? And SONAR was also quick and gracious enough to support .OMF exporting making it easy to share and collaborate projects with my Pro Tools users friends, and easily open Pro Tools projects back up in SONAR. And don't even get me started with X3's ability to use Melodyne as a plugin. WOWZER, how freak'in COOL is THAT!
 Please don’t miss understand me, I really like Pro Tools, very capable DAW and still use it today collaborating with others as it enjoys a ROCK SOLID immovable place as industry standard.
  And if it wasn’t for the fact that I realized about a decade ago that I couldn’t possibly afford to get where I wanted to go I would have never shut down my expiring OS 9 Power Mac after building a much more inexpensive  Windows 2000 PC, forged ahead doing it with Cakewalk in the first place. By the time SONAR PE 4 was released and I upgraded to an M-Audio Delta 1010 I was in love, shut down my 16 track Tascam and never looked back. Thank you Cakewalk, you're my friend, Pro Tools, hmm, not so much.
 Now we all have different ideas about workflow and how we would like to do things, but I honestly feel that the only thing better, faster, easier, and more powerful than working on video projects than SONAR + Vegas would be is to Rewire them together. I don't even know if that's possible, but I need something to put on my wish list.
 And yeah, I believe SONAR is powerful enough to produce professional quality industry standard products just as much as Pro Tools is.

zblip

dubdisciple
ziblip...the video changes are in very early stages.  The changes include stearing away from direct show, allowing more codecs to play and the ability to trim video.  It's a start.  I doubt Sonar evolves in the way Vegas did but one never knows.
 

Hability to trim video you said?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? How is that done? by entering numerical values (cutting my wrists) or by dragging edges (happy camper)????????

Typo aside, you can do it either way.  It's not very elegant now but it does work on a basic level

dubdisciple
excuse the typo.  I meant to say ability.  Mark, I know you gave up early on X3D but it allows you to trim in and out points of video now.

Ah!!!! 

So, have you tried to export between the trim points in HD? Did it work for you in a presentable way to clients?

Once I have delivered this latest project I might go on a serious road test this week of X3d then....

Steev
OK there is Pro Tools and then there is Pro Tools HD, and it is my opinion that they are not even as close to each other as SONAR Producer and Pro Tools HD are close to each other.
 Weighing in as an ex Pro Tools refugee turned SONAR+ Vegas type of guy myself, I’d have to honestly say that I find SONAR as been  consistently ahead of Pro Tools in technical advancements and out of the box tools
 For instance, I don’t believe any current version of Pro Tools MIDI support is as good as Cakewalk Pro Audio MIDI support was, never mind comparing it to SONAR’s. It was only a year or so ago Pro Tools started to support loops, and FINALLY the new Pro Tools 11 became of x64 bit age, yeah.. Unfortunately it can’t run 32 bit plugins, boo… SONAR was capable of doing that, since what v5? And SONAR was also quick and gracious enough to support .OMF exporting making it easy to share and collaborate projects with my Pro Tools users friends, and easily open Pro Tools projects back up in SONAR.
 Please don’t miss understand me, I really like Pro Tools, very capable DAW and still use it today collaborating with others as it enjoys a ROCK SOLID immovable place as industry standard.
  And if it wasn’t for the fact that I realized about a decade ago that I couldn’t possibly afford to get where I wanted to go I would have never shut down my expiring OS 9 Power Mac after building a much more inexpensive  Windows 2000 PC, forged ahead doing it with Cakewalk in the first place. By the time SONAR PE 4 was released and I upgraded to an M-Audio Delta 1010 I was in love, shut down my 16 track Tascam and never looked back.
 Now we all have different ideas about workflow and how we would like to do things, but I honestly feel that the only thing better, faster, easier, and more powerful than working on video projects than SONAR + Vegas would be is to Rewire them together.
 And yeah, I believe SONAR is powerful enough to produce professional quality industry quality products.

+1

Although you can use 32 bit plugs in PT11, JBridge works in PT11.

Mark...for the sake of your sanity..you may want to wait a few more patches before trying anything you would release to clients. :)  Unless you are in a beta testing mood.It took me a second to figure out how to export a video of decent quality. It defaults to a very crappy setting Like I said, I try to keep in mind that it appears they are taking it in phases with the first being giving it the ability to read more file types.  Not sure what is next but my guess would be that giving better export options is on the horizon.

dubdisciple
Mark...for the sake of your sanity..you may want to wait a few more patches before trying anything you would release to clients. :)  Unless you are in a beta testing mood.It took me a second to figure out how to export a video of decent quality. It defaults to a very crappy setting Like I said, I try to keep in mind that it appears they are taking it in phases with the first being giving it the ability to read more file types.  Not sure what is next but my guess would be that giving better export options is on the horizon.

+1

Actually, I might get into Beta mode and we can swap stories....Thankfully i'm just between clients for the new year break (its always quiet in Post this time of year)

But yeah, my first hair puller was just as you mention, the defaulting to cruddy settings and then going through a myriad of export options and renders to get it right (At least even Adobe sorted this out with Media Exporter)

I have to give it to Avid.  In terms of marketing, branding all their products "Pro Tools" causes enough confusion to make people think they are getting the same thing that one would get in top studios.  The software by itself is not significantly better than any other DAW and in many areas is worse. Midi in PT is downright awful.  Bundled plugins are good enough..just like every other DAW and just like every pother DAW, tons of the heavy lifting are done by third party.  I watched a very good video on Groove3 over the weekend and every single process was done with third party (mostly Waves) plugins.  The elaborate PT compatible control surface and the insane amount of hardware seemed like a bigger factor than any workflow features specific to PT.

I think media encoder has me spoiled  to the point where it will be very difficult for me to use the SOnar video export for anything beyond basic low rez reference files

+ 2

But lets see where the Bakers take us and all we can do is help.